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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    How did you get all that out of what I said? That is completely idiotic and I said nothing of the sort.

    No I don't have a problem with them paying reasonable taxes. We vote for people to represent us in the government, and we get exactly the government we deserve. If you don't like it, vote them out.

    Your example is as ridicules as the comment that taxes are in anyway a form of slavery.
    My example is compliments of the Congressional Budget Office. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it. So how has this voting out people that supported big government for those that wanted to reduce government working out for you? Last time I checked, government increased under both the Republicans and Democrats since 1992...

    So I take it that you do support economic slavery as long as its to the government(s). I got ya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Be serious, do you honestly think in 10 years people will be paying 90% taxes???
    At the rate of inflation and the drop in wages due to said inflation I would say yes. If the chief accountant of the United States federal government is saying that this is how it will be if the government doesn't change its spending habits then I have nothing to dispute it. He, afterall, handles the books of the country and knows what it takes to keep the government running at its current level.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    My example is compliments of the Congressional Budget Office. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it.
    Well if they said it, it must be true.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So how has this voting out people that supported big government for those that wanted to reduce government working out for you?
    Excellent, part of the reason I live in Florida. No state tax etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Last time I checked, government increased under both the Republicans and Democrats...
    I guess you missed this...

    "and we get exactly the government we deserve." - Blackdog

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So I take it that you do support economic slavery as long as its to the government(s). I got ya.
    Please point out where I said this or even implied it? That is a lie. Do not put words in my mouth.

    Your premise is unrealistic and your conclusion is therefore flawed. So no, it is not slavery.

    I am not stupid enough to consider 90% taxes as anything more than fantasy in the next 10 years. Hell even the next 20.

    Now lets look at it realistically. If the government took 90% from the top wage earners, the country would collapse very quickly. The rate of job loss and out right civil unrest would not make it any kind of viable option.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    At the rate of inflation and the drop in wages due to said inflation I would say yes. If the chief accountant of the United States federal government is saying that this is how it will be if the government doesn't change its spending habits then I have nothing to dispute it. He, afterall, handles the books of the country and knows what it takes to keep the government running at its current level.
    So in this case you are willing to trust the government on nothing more than a hypothetical? I see.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income.

    You wont be whipped, beaten or hamstrung by your master

    As a slave you would be
    What right does the state have to tell me not to earn capital through my labour? If I stop paying taxes I will be arrested and whipped, beaten, or hamstrung if I resist their unjustified use of force.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    2020 is 10 years from now. Anything can happen between now and then.
    And the chief accountant of the United States has been predicting that to keep the government going at its current spending and obligations it would require 90% of the income made by people to keep going. It can go higher due to the increase in services provided and the drop in birth rate during this timeframe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    100% of your taxes do not go to education. And no, I don't. And I don't think taxation is a form of slavery. It can become a burden and people can feel their money is being wasted... but if we actually held our government accountable we wouldn't be in this current mess. If people didn't always vote in two parties, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn't have the majority of the control over the government and we'd have a more effective government filled with independent minds.
    I never said anything about taxes going 100% to education. I did use an example of property taxes paid by a single person being used to pay for the education of someone else's children and not using said service for themselves. Taxes go to pay for a lot of unconstitutional programs and people are betting on the future that their kids will be able to pay off the debts their parents incurred. That happened a lot before the 13th Amendment was passed that prohibited slavery. Economic slavery is the use of economics to enslave someone to certain things at the expense of doing what they wish with their own property and in this case money.

    PS: I apologize for citing the wrong amendment since it's the 13th not the 14th that abolished slavery in all of its forms.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Notice that I said stop making an income

    No income no income taxes

    And you can live without earning money,


    Buy about 500 acres and farmstead. You wont have electricity, a computer or a car but you will live

    Bull****, they're called property taxes.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What right does the state have to tell me not to earn capital through my labour? If I stop paying taxes I will be arrested and whipped, beaten, or hamstrung if I resist their unjustified use of force.
    He was being sarcastic.

    I guess you missed...

    If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income. - Lord Tammerlain
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Bull****, they're called property taxes.
    Property taxes are state and local.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I didnt say anything about bartering

    You will have to grow all your own food, make your own clothes and provide your own health care. As you would not be providing any food to anyone but your family the USDA wont come down on you either
    A) You would still be required to pay property taxes.

    B) Why should you not be able to use the crops grown through your own labour to barter for services and goods which you require and what right does the state have to interfere in those private transaction?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. The government needs an income to support military, public works and roads etc.
    All of these can be supplied through voluntary contracts between private citizens and private entities.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) You would still be required to pay property taxes.

    B) Why should you not be able to use the crops grown through your own labour to barter for services and goods which you require and what right does the state have to interfere in those private transaction?
    I guess having roads, police and fire departments etc would be funded by.....?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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