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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Petitio Principii logical fallacy because this line of argument must pre-suppose its own conclusion that the state is legitimate:
    Let me see if I understand this. You own your property because you have physical possession of it (If you don't accept the sovereignty of a state, you obviously don't have a legal claim). A country is a group of people banded together who claim possession of a territory in a legal (not necessarily physical) sense. So the land is yours only on basis that you can keep control of it, but the state has the means to take your land by force, so their claim is more legitimate, right? Or am I missing something?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Actually, the Constitution does state in the Tenth Amendment, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Since the states are not prohibited from leaving in Article I Section X of the Constitution of the United States they retain the power they held. The people had nothing to do with the Constitution since it was ratified by the states by delegates appointed by the state legislatures.
    I've already proven, in another debate, that secession was illegal. See Texas v. White, the Preamble of the Constitution, and several of the Federalist Papers. Both Madison and Hamilton supported this position, as I demonstrated in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...e-race-13.html Like it or not, secession was illegal and the Union had every right to prevent it.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The individual should have the right of secession.
    That would simply lead to anarchy, a state of government that has never worked.


    Well then you have just admitted that all citizens living under a state sovereign are nothing but slaves IE property of the state.
    Except I have made the argument that the state has legitimacy because we choose our leaders, a point you have refused to discuss.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually those protesters have been arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced to prison terms or murderered by the state as has been the case since the Whiskey Rebellion.
    Only if they broke the law doing so
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I've already proven, in another debate, that secession was illegal. See Texas v. White, the Preamble of the Constitution, and several of the Federalist Papers. Both Madison and Hamilton supported this position, as I demonstrated in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...e-race-13.html Like it or not, secession was illegal and the Union had every right to prevent it.
    I've already disproven your claim. Agree to disagree.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I've already disproven your claim. Agree to disagree.
    You did nothing of the sort. I will not agree with inaccuracy.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    No, taxation isn't slavery. If you don't like the tax laws here your always free to leave.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    No, taxation isn't slavery. If you don't like the tax laws here your always free to leave.
    that's one of the best arguments in the entire thread.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Failed state + civil war =/= anarchy.
    But hey! At least you won't have to pay taxes, amirite? So I expect you to leave for that country of equality and freedom posthaste.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Half of America's water supply comes from private water utilities firms, and another 15% on top of that drink from privately owned wells.

    80% of electicity in the U.S. is produced by private utilities.

    I don't know what roads you've been driving on. Regardless the responsibility of road upkeep and repair is contracted out to private agencies as is the construction of roads themselves, but they are payed by the state, however, they could easily pay for the construction and upkeep of these roads through tolls. You do realize that the toll roads payed for by taxpayer money are still collecting tolls even though you've already payed for them?

    Ah the state racketeering scheme at its finest, you are literally are paying the state protection money, if you don't pay these professional police forces aka gangs will come and slap handcuffs on you, if you resist you will be beaten or killed.

    If this was a free society you would have a right to opt out of such "services".

    According to any rational observer, the state is a legalized monopoly which has the sole authority to exercise the use of force.

    Petitio Principii begging the question logical fallacy because this line of argument must pre-suppose its own conclusion that the state is legitimate:

    Yes us crazy lunatics what with our crazy outrageous ideas like the contractual society, the right to self ownership, and the non-aggression principle, I mean that's way crazier than centralizing the use of force into a singular monopoly which is not only above the law but writes the law.

    Statist - Statism (or etatism) is an ideology advocating the use of states to achieve goals, both economic and social.
    Call me "staist" all you like. It makes your political view no less unattainable and crazy.

    It does not work, has never worked, and will never come to pass. Unless you count that hell hole Somalia. The anarchist dream land.
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