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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I stated, as I read the quote, even if it were NOT a question, it STILL wouldn’t infer that Confederate soldiers were uneducated – Just that they were LESS educated, in general.

    I'm simply using logic.

    And as you are making the claim to me that literacy =/= education, I say YOU should prove YOUR statements.

    But on with the logic.

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    First, what is an education, or the state of being educated?

    As I understand it, education is the knowledge you possess that you gained from instruction you received.

    Second, what is literacy, or the state of being literate?

    As I understand it, literacy is the state of being able to read (in whatever language is in use) a document and gain useable knowledge from doing so (dependent on prior knowledge in some cases, obviously).
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    This leads me to the conclusion that:

    Literacy is a key part of obtaining and using an education, but many other factors are important.

    As an example, if I know nothing about algebra, I will have very little chance of gaining useable knowledge from a book on quantum physics.

    By the same token, if I know nothing about biology, I would have little chance of gaining useable knowledge from a book on genetic science.

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    This kind of thing should be self-evident. I do not understand why you demand proof.

    With that change, your statement would be correct.
    No source to back up your statements, so that means I'll disregard what you have to say. I have been asked to back up my positions with proof from the opposite side of the debate, so I am extending quid-pro-quo. I want you to back up your position with a source that literacy does not equal an education.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    No source to back up your statements, so that means I'll disregard what you have to say.
    At least be honest (I know it must be hard for you) you are not going to respond because you got nothing. Your own source already backed up what we were saying. so what more do we need?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    At least be honest (I know it must be hard for you) you are not going to respond because you got nothing. Your own source already backed up what we were saying. so what more do we need?
    I have replied to you even when you called for a source. I called for a source and you can't provide one to back up your position. I will not reply to your baits until you can actually prove your side of the debate.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    well one thing this thread proves is that the claims of some libs are wrong. SOme of them claim all conservatives think alike.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    No source to back up your statements, so that means I'll disregard what you have to say. I have been asked to back up my positions with proof from the opposite side of the debate, so I am extending quid-pro-quo. I want you to back up your position with a source that literacy does not equal an education.
    Look, as I understand the process, the one who makes a claim then must back it up if called on it.

    As I only recently entered this conversation, and haven't read the preceding posts, I have no idea who made a claim first.

    But I was simply responding to what I saw as a claim by YOU that literacy = education.

    I presented to you my reasons for disagreeing, and have asked you to back up your statement with proof.

    But your response is to ask ME for proof.

    Which as I have noticed, is a typical tactic of one who has no proof.

    So...
    Last edited by The Mark; 07-12-10 at 11:30 PM.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Look, as I understand the process, the one who makes a claim then must back it up if called on it.

    As I only recently entered this conversation, and haven't read the preceeding posts, I have no idea who made the claim first.

    But I was simply responding to what I saw as a claim by YOU that literacy = education.

    I presented to you my reasons for disagreeing, and have asked you to back up your statement with proof.

    But your response is to ask ME for proof.

    Which as I have noticed, is a typical tactic of one who has no proof.

    So...
    Nope, it is standard in debate to disprove a claim one has to supply evidence and support that destroys the original claim. You have yet to produce any source to back up your position except for your opinion regarding logic, which isn't even sourced. I provided a source as proof and it is up to you to produce proof that will destroy the proof I have.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I have replied to you even when you called for a source. I called for a source and you can't provide one to back up your position. I will not reply to your baits until you can actually prove your side of the debate.
    Oh you mean like this...

    Our image of non-slaveholding whites and their
    descendants–their lack of schooling that resulted in illiteracy, their lack of skills that kept their
    wages low and limited their mobility–receives plenty of support in the historical record.


    Oh but wait your source goes on....

    Southern literacy rates were high relative to the rest of the world. While the South did
    not place a high regard on book learning and is usually thought of as backward relative to the rest
    of the United States
    , white adult literacy rates there compared favorably to those in the second
    rank of European nations, lower than Sweden but higher than Prussia or Scotland.
    - http://eh.net/Clio/ASSAPapers/Murray03.pdf

    Next time you mite want to read your own source.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Nope, it is standard in debate to disprove a claim one has to supply evidence and support that destroys the original claim. You have yet to produce any source to back up your position except for your opinion regarding logic, which isn't even sourced. I provided a source as proof and it is up to you to produce proof that will destroy the proof I have.
    I didn't provide a source because I thought the logic and reasoning would be enough to convince you.

    Apparently not.

    And could you direct me to which post you provided the proof in? I have not seen it.
    Last edited by The Mark; 07-12-10 at 11:39 PM.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh you mean like this...

    Our image of non-slaveholding whites and their
    descendants–their lack of schooling that resulted in illiteracy, their lack of skills that kept their
    wages low and limited their mobility–receives plenty of support in the historical record.


    Oh but wait your source goes on....

    Southern literacy rates were high relative to the rest of the world. While the South did
    not place a high regard on book learning and is usually thought of as backward relative to the rest
    of the United States
    , white adult literacy rates there compared favorably to those in the second
    rank of European nations, lower than Sweden but higher than Prussia or Scotland.
    - http://eh.net/Clio/ASSAPapers/Murray03.pdf

    Next time you mite want to read your own source.
    I already did read my own source. You still haven't produced a source with the statistics for the north in regards to you wanting me to produce for the south. I have provided two sources and you have provided none. 2 is greater than 0. You still lose.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I already did read my own source. You still haven't produced a source with the statistics for the north in regards to you wanting me to produce for the south. I have provided two sources and you have provided none. 2 is greater than 0. You still lose.
    Why would I need too? Your source says "While the South did not place a high regard on book learning and is usually thought of as backward relative to the rest of the United States" what more do I need to add other than you are as usual wrong. So I just posted a source, just happens to be the same one you used. It just so happens it backs up my position and destroys yours. Quite funny actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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