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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Regarding the poll question: No.

    Some aspects of specific taxes may be the same as some aspects of specific slavery instances...

    But that by no means equals a correlation between taxation in general and slavery in general.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I was going by the quoted comment

    When I was accepted into two top colleges-my father, a top graduate of the Yale School of engineering-reminded me to never confuse being intelligent with being well educated for many people who are well educated are not intelligent and many brilliant men have had little in the way of schooling.

    education includes schooling-but it is much more than that.
    We are talking the 1800's here. No comparison my friend.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Regarding the poll question: No.

    Some aspects of specific taxes may be the same as some aspects of specific slavery instances...

    But that by no means equals a correlation between taxation in general and slavery in general.
    That is what the majority of us have been saying.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You made the statement that they were on par. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have failed as even your source disagrees.
    The burden of proof is upon you and others to disprove it. Here is another pdf that discusses a study of the market of schools in both the north and south pre-1860. In the south, many of the schools were private, charity, or church based. Parents would send their children to one of these schools for education and pay a tuition to have it done. By having such a network of private schools, southerners were educated. So the burden of proof is on you to show that the south wasn't educated.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is what the majority of us have been saying.
    Having not read the thread (or if I did, I forgot completely), I didn't really know.

    But the poll indicated that.

    Anyone care to sum up what the small opposition (what is that, 3 people? Perhaps 7?) argued?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The difference is that you have the choice to leave America and go to another country, you have the choice to change the rules of the "gang", etc. I challenge you to show me any political system that has worked better, since you obviously dislike Democratic Republics.
    Petitio Principii logical fallacy because this line of argument must pre-suppose its own conclusion that the state is legitimate:

    "I think that the person who makes this argument is already assuming that the government has some legitimate jurisdiction over this territory. And then they say, well, now, anyone who is in the territory is therefore agreeing to the prevailing rules. But they’re assuming the very thing they're trying to prove – namely that this jurisdiction over the territory is legitimate. If it's not, then the government is just one more group of people living in this broad general geographical territory. But I've got my property, and exactly what their arrangements are I don't know, but here I am in my property and they don't own it – at least they haven't given me any argument that they do – and so, the fact that I am living in "this country" means I am living in a certain geographical region that they have certain pretensions over – but the question is whether those pretensions are legitimate. You can’t assume it as a means to proving it." -- Roderick Long Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objection
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The burden of proof is upon you and others to disprove it. Here is another pdf that discusses a study of the market of schools in both the north and south pre-1860. In the south, many of the schools were private, charity, or church based. Parents would send their children to one of these schools for education and pay a tuition to have it done. By having such a network of private schools, southerners were educated. So the burden of proof is on you to show that the south wasn't educated.
    #1 Please point out where anyone said the South was "uneducated." In fact, you are the only one. I know you will not as you just ignore the hard questions or dance around them with unrelated fallacy's. Or accuse the person of saying something they did not.

    #2 So your reply as usual has absolutely nothing to do with the point being made or the answer expected from you.

    #3 The schools them selfs have almost no relevance without statistics of those who attended and those who did not.

    So far you have shown nothing but opinion.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We are talking the 1800's here. No comparison my friend.
    actually there were many people educated in many areas who couldn't read then.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Democracy is mob rule.
    So you agree that my argument is valid, but you're just being picky about my terminology?

    Yes, I agree we are not a true democracy in that we elect people. That was exactly what I was talking about. Not sure how that makes anything I said wrong.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually there were many people educated in many areas who couldn't read then.
    Irrelevant to the argument either way. Being a blacksmith for example does not make you educated. It makes you trained in a specific vocation.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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