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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is nothing but a silly exaggeration of my statements.

    Municipalities and governments provide a service for the people. A service that takes some of the burden off of us as citizens.
    And by service you mean an elaborate legalized racketeering scheme.

    The private sector has proven time and time again it can't be trusted.
    The private sector is anything but private. We live under a corporatist system of state capitalism not a free market.

    Of course the government is no less guilty, but to much less a degree.
    Actually the state is the biggest offender.

    The government is not motivated by profit above all else.
    That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. The state is a for profit monopoly with guns and the self designated authority to use them to coerce the individual into paying their annual protection money.

    Amazing how libertarians are willing to trust people to do the right thing all the time. History as shown this will never happen, unless maybe you live in the land of faeries and cute little bunny's that talk.
    Amazing how statists are willing to trust the state to do the right thing even though history has shown that this will never happen and in fact bends them over the counter on a daily basis without even the courtesy of a reach around.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If I have a say in the policies in the gang, it's not theft.
    I already said that the gang gave you a vote of whether or not to steal your wallet, the vote came out 5-1 for strealing your wallet, and you're asserting that this isn't theft?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. Paying taxes is voluntary....as long as you're willing to accept the consequences of not paying.
    Ah yes... following the law is optional and voluntary -- the ides that you -have- to do so is just silly.


    Given your argument, above, slavery never existed as every one of those supposed slaves always had a choice to be a slave, or not , so long as they were willing to accept the consequences of their choice.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Yes I have the same view for unions and the ACLU, etc. I believe that while individuals can exercize their rights AS individuals, being part of a corporation (in the general sense) doesn't give you special rights as a collective.
    If the rights of the whole are being violated then how can the rights of the individual within the whole not be violated as well? Basically you are asserting that exercising your right of free association automatically means that you lose the rest of your rights.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I already said that the gang gave you a vote of whether or not to steal your wallet, the vote came out 5-1 for strealing your wallet, and you're asserting that this isn't theft?
    The difference is that you have the choice to leave America and go to another country, you have the choice to change the rules of the "gang", etc. I challenge you to show me any political system that has worked better, since you obviously dislike Democratic Republics.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If the rights of the whole are being violated then how can the rights of the individual within the whole not be violated as well? Basically you are asserting that exercising your right of free association automatically means that you lose the rest of your rights.
    No. What I'm saying is that a group shouldn't get special rights JUST for being a group.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    You know, I would just like to point out that after the American Revolution, the United States was governed by the Articles of Confederation, which did not grant the Confederation Congress the power of taxation. This was seen as a major flaw of the Articles, and was why the Constitution was written to explicitly give Congress the power of taxation.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The difference is that you have the right to choose your representatives, and through them influence the law.
    I never agreed to such a system

    You think the tax rate is too high? Vote in people that will lower the tax rate. Try to put an initiative on the ballot. Write letters. Stage a demonstration. Donate to a candidate that supports your views.
    Again I never agreed to such a system, why would any sane individual relinquish their right of self ownership to a group of other men?

    It's called a republic, and it has legitimacy through your votes. would you rather have any other form of government?
    I would rather have no government in which the individual not the state hold the power of sovereign.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 07-12-10 at 08:43 PM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The difference is that you have the choice to leave America and go to another country, you have the choice to change the rules of the "gang", etc. I challenge you to show me any political system that has worked better, since you obviously dislike Democratic Republics.
    Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the rest.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No. What I'm saying is that a group shouldn't get special rights JUST for being a group.
    Nobody is talking about special rights, we are talking about the group having the same rights as the individuals within the group.

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