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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    How big does the gang have to be in order for the theft to become legitimate in your opinion?
    Size doesn't matter!

    Seriously, man, are you really that obtuse? You belong to an organization that has dues. You get to vote on what those dues should be and what they should be spent on. You have a say in those dues. Don't like them? Go join another group. Warning: they all have dues, and some give you no say whatsoever in what they are.

    You may disagree with where your taxes are spent (as we ALL do) and you may disagree in how much they should be (as we ALL do) but that doesn't make it theft.

    This is America! It's a democracy! We have a say!

    If you don't like it here in America, and if you hate democracy that much, you can always leave.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Are you kidding? I lived through the Reagan years and the Bush years and never once claimed that I was a slave.

    That mindset is just, well, silly.
    You're one in a million. I wonder if Obama will share your view? Then again, there is a bright side. That will take the heat off Bush as Obama blames his woes on the Republican controlled House and Senate.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya because voluntary contractual agreements for goods and services doesn't happen every single day.
    That is nothing but a silly exaggeration of my statements.

    Municipalities and governments provide a service for the people. A service that takes some of the burden off of us as citizens.

    The private sector has proven time and time again it can't be trusted. Of course the government is no less guilty, but to much less a degree. The government is not motivated by profit above all else.

    Amazing how libertarians are willing to trust people to do the right thing all the time. History as shown this will never happen, unless maybe you live in the land of faeries and cute little bunny's that talk.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Size doesn't matter!
    So then you support theft.

    Seriously, man, are you really that obtuse? You belong to an organization that has dues.
    I never voluntarily agreed to be in this organization.

    You get to vote on what those dues should be and what they should be spent on.
    No actually I don't, I get to vote for those who get to vote on what those dues should be and what they should be spent on; furthermore, I never entered into contractual agreement granting them the authority to confiscate those dues through the use of force or any other means.

    You have a say in those dues. Don't like them? Go join another group. Warning: they all have dues, and some give you no say whatsoever in what they are.
    This is a lie, if I purchase property, work from home, do not partake of any of this organizations goods or services I will still be liable to pay those dues, and be bound by this organizations regulations simply because my property lies within arbitrary borders which this illegitimate involuntary organization has designated as its territory. The social contract was not entered into voluntarily and any contract which is not voluntary is null and void.

    You may disagree with where your taxes are spent (as we ALL do) and you may disagree in how much they should be (as we ALL do) but that doesn't make it theft.

    This is America! It's a democracy! We have a say!
    Let's try a little thought experiment, 5 men come up to you on the street, they put it to a vote if they will confiscate your wallet and even allow you to vote as well, the vote comes 5-1 aye that they will confiscate your wallet, now how exactly is that not theft?

    If you don't like it here in America, and if you hate democracy that much, you can always leave.
    Collective tyranny is a tyranny the same as any other, I don't hate America, I hate the state, that goes for all states, the state is an illegitimate entity no matter if it is a liberal democracy or a totalitarian dictatorship, both violate the right to individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle on a daily basis.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    I am absolutely astounded by posts like these. They almost seem anti-American and anti-democratic, because what they're saying is "If other people vote to do things I disagree with, then they are enslaving me."
    Your response is not supported by anything that I said.

    Involuntary servitude has a definition; being forced to work for the direct benefit of others fits into it. Period. Yoiu liking it or not liking it, agreeing with it or not agreeing with it - doesnt matter.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The private sector has proven time and time again it can't be trusted. Of course the government is no less guilty, but to much less a degree. The government is not motivated by profit above all else.
    Actually, I think the private sector is equally as guilty as the government. However, it helps the people when the government provides options of markets the private sector also provides. This helps keep the private sector honest, as any dishonesty on their part means people will not spend their money on them and will make more use of government services.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    That's a load of ****ing bull****, that's like saying that if I stick a gun in your face and tell me to give me all of your cash that you are giving me that money voluntarily. The state takes taxes by force that is the exact opposite of voluntary.
    The difference is that you have the right to choose your representatives, and through them influence the law. You think the tax rate is too high? Vote in people that will lower the tax rate. Try to put an initiative on the ballot. Write letters. Stage a demonstration. Donate to a candidate that supports your views. It's called a republic, and it has legitimacy through your votes. would you rather have any other form of government?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Damn that infernal democracy! How dare the elected officials do what people who elected them ask them to do!
    So... in a democracy, amythig goes so long as the majority support it?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Why should a group of people as a voluntary contractual collective be entitled to less rights under the Constitution than an individual person? Apparently in your view exercising your right of free association will entail the restriction of the rest of your rights. Do you hold the same view with regards to Unions and various other special interests groups; such as, the ACLU or the NAACP or ACORN?
    Yes I have the same view for unions and the ACLU, etc. I believe that while individuals can exercize their rights AS individuals, being part of a corporation (in the general sense) doesn't give you special rights as a collective.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    How big does the gang have to be in order for the theft to become legitimate in your opinion?
    If I have a say in the policies in the gang, it's not theft.
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