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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Robert E. Lee, General of all the Confederate armies was a West Point graduate.
    are you claiming robert e lee was a typical reb? LOL!

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    are you claiming robert e lee was a typical reb? LOL!
    Are you saying that all southerners were uneducated and ignorant?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So you are defending the NAZIS?
    Oh, right, of course. After all, I always defend organizations and people who hold the exact opposite view I do.

    Don't be dense. My point, which I am sure you understand but would rather troll about, is that the Confederate Flag carries a specific message. The fact that some people want to pretend it doesn't -- or else honestly state that it has a different message to them -- does not mean the flag does not have the specific message to a majority of the population.

    It is just as silly to claim that the Confederate Flag does not mean an acceptance of slavery as it is to say that a Nazi Flag does not mean an acceptance of killing Jews.

    You can't pick and choose here and claim that the flag only represents part of what it does. Nor can you claim that it means something different to you when everyone else understands it to mean something else. That's like flipping the bird at someone and claiming that to you, it means hello. You don't get to decide what words or symbols mean.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    The Confederate flag is seen as a symbol of racism by some and as a symbol of rebellion by others. Either way unlike Germany, who hides it's history and acts as if it never happened, we should (and do for the most part) acknowledge our history and embrace it good or bad. It is in the end who we are and where we come from.

    The Confederate flag in the end is just the flag of a failed union of states.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The Confederate flag is seen as a symbol of racism by some and as a symbol of rebelion by others. Either way unlike Germany, who hides it's history and acts as if it never happend, we should (and do for the most part) aknowledge our histry and embrace it good or bad. It is in the end who we are and where we come from.

    The Confederate flag in the end is just the flag of a failed union of states.
    Indeed, it is by definition the flag of treason.

    If you want to fly that flag and basically say "Hi, I support treason and slavery" then go ahead -- this is America. But hey, you can't be surprised when people think you're an arse because of it.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Are you saying that all southerners were uneducated and ignorant?
    no, i'm saying that the typical rebel soldier was uneducated.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Indeed, it is by definition the flag of treason.

    If you want to fly that flag and basically say "Hi, I support treason and slavery" then go ahead -- this is America. But hey, you can't be surprised when people think you're an arse because of it.
    I give you prominent abolitionist Lysander Spooner on the subject of treason in his book No Treason.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, i'm saying that the typical rebel soldier was uneducated.
    Then you'd be surprised that the literacy rates in the south was right about 81-90%. Here's an interesting paper on the subject.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Why? The confederate flag is not a symbol of slavery to the educated.
    I would disagree. I actually study the civil war quite deeply (I'm studying for a history degree, and I am a civil war reenactor), and I think that there's been something of a whitewash job (pardon the pun) on that. Yes, it was about state rights, but that state right they were rebelling over specifically was slavery. If you read SC's document of secession, the only issue they mention is slavery. If you look at the run up, it's almost all about slavery. Only a few states mention anything other than slavery in their documents of secession, and I doubt any state would secede over canal tariffs. To say it wasn't about slavery is to ignore most of the factors that led to the war.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    You know, if you really think taxation is slavery you could always move to a country that doesn't have any taxes.

    Oh! Wait! That's right! Now I remember! No such country has ever existed in the history of mankind!
    I think it was 60 minutes but I just saw a show about Afghanistan where they showed a muddy dirty stree with mansions built on it. The mansions are owned by Afghan politicians who pay no taxes on them. There are piles of garbage next to some of them and the street is hardly passable.

    The Afghan politicians rent them out to foreigners such as diplomats and the like.

    The reason that the streets are like they are is that nobody pays any taxes. I guess you get what you pay for. Go for it anti-taxers.

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