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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    pegging a reply for subscription.

    I have a headache and can't focus on this right now but it's interesting and I'll jump in on the debate tomorrow sometime.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Look guys. I do not want to derail ANOTHER thread towards the natural rights debate. I will continue the debate I am having with Ikari in that particular thread and link to it and invite you all to join.
    I ain't doing natural rights buddy.

    I know for a fact we'll never agree, this is policy debate for me.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it's pretty bad.
    I mean the government is allowed to lie to you, while you're not always allowed to lie to them.
    Eh, I don't think it's as bad as that. And unfortunately, lying has become a relative and ambiguous term when discussing the government.


    I understand they affect others but why are we stringing failure along.
    It makes no sense.
    And I agree with reforms. But not in voting.

    The feds or states have the authority and the right, to do so.
    Just like a college or state that accepts federal funds, individuals who accept these funds must also follow rules that would normally be unconstitutional because they are actively seeking out support and accepting it.
    The problem is that a lot of what we do is based on a "maintence" plan, rather than a "progressive" plan. The latter requires more work in the short term, of course, and considering the general inefficiency of things... and general laziness, this is a reason why nothing changes.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I ain't doing natural rights buddy.

    I know for a fact we'll never agree, this is policy debate for me.
    Those debates take so much of my time, anyway. I end up only posting on one thread, which I don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Owning property requires money... to purchase it, to maintain it, to pay taxes on it. It is also a choice as to whether or not you own property. One can be relatively well off and choose to not own property. If you are talking about a system based on merit, owning property does not automatically make you worth more than one who does not. There are MANY issues that create value.
    Do you think property owners would have a tax on the ownership of their property? Nope, which history proves this point. Property taxes didn't come into being until after voting had opened up to all white males. The first property taxes were levied in the 1830's to pay for public schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    All rights do not stem from ownership. I have no idea where you would get that idea.
    Then I suggest you read up on the history of the revolution and specificially a book written by Thomas Paine called Common Sense. The ideas are ensconced in the Declaration of Independence and later put into law under the Bill of Rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since the government is created by the people and of the people, rights are created of the people and by the people. This is where rights stem from.
    That's a twisted way of looking at it, but since governments are instituted among men by the consent of the governed they are duty bound to stop any tyranny by the government. This right to alter and abolish the government is inherent in every single person. That's what the Declaration of Independence says, so the rights come from ownership of a person's body.

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Eh, I don't think it's as bad as that. And unfortunately, lying has become a relative and ambiguous term when discussing the government.
    Don't really want to derail this one.
    So it's best to let it be.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And I agree with reforms. But not in voting.
    If the reforms applied to TANF were also applied to other safety net programs, that would be a step in the right direction.

    Add to that an employment requirement in approximately 6 months.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The problem is that a lot of what we do is based on a "maintence" plan, rather than a "progressive" plan. The latter requires more work in the short term, of course, and considering the general inefficiency of things... and general laziness, this is a reason why nothing changes.
    For it to be progressive, it would have to implement long term behavior changes.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Those debates take so much of my time, anyway. I end up only posting on one thread, which I don't like.
    It ends up being a quasi religious debate because it is all based on philosophy.
    Unless I have a gun to your head, you're not changing your general philosophy.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It ends up being a quasi religious debate because it is all based on philosophy.
    Unless I have a gun to your head, you're not changing your general philosophy.
    Interestingly enough, I pretty much NEVER bring religion into the natural rights debate, and in my debate with Ikari, he didn't either. But you are correct. My general philosophy isn't going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interestingly enough, I pretty much NEVER bring religion into the natural rights debate, and in my debate with Ikari, he didn't either. But you are correct. My general philosophy isn't going anywhere.
    I don't do religious debates.
    Not worth it and kind of rude to crap on another person's religious belief system, with the exception of scientology.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't really want to derail this one.
    So it's best to let it be.
    True.



    If the reforms applied to TANF were also applied to other safety net programs, that would be a step in the right direction.
    I agree.

    Add to that an employment requirement in approximately 6 months.
    Not sure I would want to be that rigid. I get what you are saying, though.



    For it to be progressive, it would have to implement long term behavior changes.
    Agreed. And this is the problem. Too many folks looking for the quick fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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