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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Once you start limiting the rights of others, for any reason, you head down the path of tyranny.
    Voting has never been a right, but a legislated privilege to be taken away at the whim of Congress. The only voting recognized, originally, in the laws of the United States was based upon the ownership of land (once you move it towards the racial and gender equality of today).

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're looking at this in an absolute, all-or-nothing sense. Fascism is probably the most efficient form of government, however, it is also the form of government that has the most potential for abuse.
    At this point, for me it makes no difference.
    The abuse has reached very high levels.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now, to me, restricting voting rights is the antithesis of what this country is about. Once you do that, you head towards tyranny, precisely the opposite of what this country was founded upon. I have an alternative. Folks on welfare DO need to demonstrate some effort in getting off welfare. Without this demonstration, do not remove their voting rights. Remove their welfare benefits.
    I'm a firm believer in freedom, to succeed and fail unimpeded.
    Failure is a shock to the system of what you did wrong, it spurs positive change in many people.

    I would be very happy with a proposal like yours but the political will does not exist.
    The popular view of both wealth and poverty in this country is disgusting, to me.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Voting has never been a right, but a legislated privilege to be taken away at the whim of Congress. The only voting recognized, originally, in the laws of the United States was based upon the ownership of land (once you move it towards the racial and gender equality of today).
    I'm not going to get into another "natural rights" debate... since I haven't finished the last one. I reject the concept of natural rights. Voting currently is a right in this country. Removing it from a segment of society will create a type of oligarchy reflecting plutocracy, and places value on citizenship based on money. Ones value goes far beyond one's monetary worth.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not going to get into another "natural rights" debate... since I haven't finished the last one. I reject the concept of natural rights. Voting currently is a right in this country. Removing it from a segment of society will create a type of oligarchy reflecting plutocracy, and places value on citizenship based on money. Ones value goes far beyond one's monetary worth.
    Are you putting words into my mouth? I ask because I never said anything about money. I did say that only property owners could vote. Property owners can be rich or poor, but the requirement is that they must own land. This reflects the meritocracy ideal.

    Your rejection of natural rights is your own business, but under the laws of the United States and the Constitutions thereof it is a recognized fact of life. All rights stem from the ownership of property starting with your body. Do you own your own body?

    General voting is defined under the laws of the United States as being a privilege. This is quite evident since the legislature has removed it from certain groups, felons etc..., and gave it to others starting with all white males above 18 in the 1820's. If it was a right then the government cannot remove or restrict it in any way.

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    At this point, for me it makes no difference.
    The abuse has reached very high levels.
    I'm not of the mindset that the abuse of the system has reached the level that fascism would create. The biggest problem with repairing the system is that there is a major discrepency on how and who.



    I'm a firm believer in freedom, to succeed and fail unimpeded.
    Failure is a shock to the system of what you did wrong, it spurs positive change in many people.
    It's not that simple at all. The problem is that if you have a segment of society that is failing, they will affect the segment of society that is not, regardless of what you do. The task is to minimize this failure, while, at the same time, encouraging success, both through positive and negative reinforcement. One cannot look at this as a "one-size-fits-all" scenario, or a scenario that sees the situation in isolated terms. You cannot seperate out one thing from the other.

    I would be very happy with a proposal like yours but the political will does not exist.
    The popular view of both wealth and poverty in this country is disgusting, to me.
    I think there are two problems with the potential enactment of my proposal. Firstly, who will manage it. Secondly, how will it be done and how are is the motivation to acutally do it going to be created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not going to get into another "natural rights" debate... since I haven't finished the last one. I reject the concept of natural rights. Voting currently is a right in this country. Removing it from a segment of society will create a type of oligarchy reflecting plutocracy, and places value on citizenship based on money. Ones value goes far beyond one's monetary worth.
    If one has no natural rights, who determines what that value is?

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Are you putting words into my mouth? I ask because I never said anything about money. I did say that only property owners could vote. Property owners can be rich or poor, but the requirement is that they must own land. This reflects the meritocracy ideal.
    Owning property requires money... to purchase it, to maintain it, to pay taxes on it. It is also a choice as to whether or not you own property. One can be relatively well off and choose to not own property. If you are talking about a system based on merit, owning property does not automatically make you worth more than one who does not. There are MANY issues that create value.

    Your rejection of natural rights is your own business, but under the laws of the United States and the Constitutions thereof it is a recognized fact of life. All rights stem from the ownership of property starting with your body. Do you own your own body?
    All rights do not stem from ownership. I have no idea where you would get that idea.

    General voting is defined under the laws of the United States as being a privilege. This is quite evident since the legislature has removed it from certain groups, felons etc..., and gave it to others starting with all white males above 18 in the 1820's. If it was a right then the government cannot remove or restrict it in any way.
    Since the government is created by the people and of the people, rights are created of the people and by the people. This is where rights stem from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If one has no natural rights, who determines what that value is?
    The particular society, based on the desires, morality, and mores of that society and the people in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not of the mindset that the abuse of the system has reached the level that fascism would create. The biggest problem with repairing the system is that there is a major discrepency on how and who.
    I think it's pretty bad.
    I mean the government is allowed to lie to you, while you're not always allowed to lie to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It's not that simple at all. The problem is that if you have a segment of society that is failing, they will affect the segment of society that is not, regardless of what you do. The task is to minimize this failure, while, at the same time, encouraging success, both through positive and negative reinforcement. One cannot look at this as a "one-size-fits-all" scenario, or a scenario that sees the situation in isolated terms. You cannot seperate out one thing from the other.
    I understand they affect others but why are we stringing failure along.
    It makes no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think there are two problems with the potential enactment of my proposal. Firstly, who will manage it. Secondly, how will it be done and how are is the motivation to acutally do it going to be created.
    The feds or states have the authority and the right, to do so.
    Just like a college or state that accepts federal funds, individuals who accept these funds must also follow rules that would normally be unconstitutional because they are actively seeking out support and accepting it.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Look guys. I do not want to derail ANOTHER thread towards the natural rights debate. I will continue the debate I am having with Ikari in that particular thread and link to it and invite you all to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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