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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the 1812 comment was sort of a dead herring. One think is for sure-those who drafted the constitution certainly didn't intend to create a society where they would be disarmed and their wealth voted away by the masses.
    Yeah it was. He also forgets that it was the wealthy landowners that financed the war and paid for all the equipment used by the Continental Army and Navy. The poor certainly didn't pay for it.

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yeah it was. He also forgets that it was the wealthy landowners that financed the war and paid for all the equipment used by the Continental Army and Navy. The poor certainly didn't pay for it.
    oh come on-every guy who just completed his 7 years of indentured servitude had the means to buy a few 12 pounders and several calvary chargers!



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    What does the War of 1812 have to do with the War of Independence?
    Which Madison had exatcly what role in? James Madison was a politician who sat at home and watched the action go by. Again, what 'freedom' did he grant?
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yeah it was. He also forgets that it was the wealthy landowners that financed the war and paid for all the equipment used by the Continental Army and Navy. The poor certainly didn't pay for it.
    Well obviously not.

    Approximately 25,000 American Revolutionaries died during active military service. About 8,000 of these deaths were in battle; the other 17,000 deaths were from disease, including about 8,000 – 12,000 who died while prisoners of war, most in rotting prison ships in New York. The number of Revolutionaries seriously wounded or disabled by the war has been estimated from 8,500 to 25,000. The total American military casualty figure was therefore as high as 50,000.[58]

    About 171,000 sailors served for the British during the war; about 25 to 50 percent of them had been pressed into service. About 1,240 were killed in battle, while 18,500 died from disease. The greatest killer was scurvy, a disease known at the time to be easily preventable by issuing lemon juice to sailors. About 42,000 British sailors deserted during the war.[59]

    Approximately 1,200 Germans were killed in action and 6,354 died from illness or accident. About 16,000 of the remaining German troops returned home, but roughly 5,500 remained in the United States after the war for various reasons, many eventually becoming American citizens. No reliable statistics exist for the number of casualties among other groups, including Loyalists, British regulars, Native Americans, French and Spanish troops, and civilians.
    How many of those people who paid with their lives do you think were rich?
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well obviously not.



    How many of those people who paid with their lives do you think were rich?
    you aren't contradicting his main point.

    Nor can you

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which Madison had exatcly what role in? James Madison was a politician who sat at home and watched the action go by. Again, what 'freedom' did he grant?
    Madison was a member of Virginia's 1776 Revolutionary Committee, served in the Virginia Legislature from 1776-1779 and in 1780 he was a delegate to the Continental Congress. He authored Virginia's religious freedom from the Church of England. He helped sway Virginia into voting for the Revolution among other things.

    At the time of the war, officers of the Continental Army and Navy plus the militias were always wealthy individuals. This is because war was considered a gentleman's game and the only people that were gentlemen were those that were wealthy and owned land. This is what society deemed what constituted being a gentleman.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I believe those who pay more taxes (or have say served the nation in the military etc) should have more say than those who are on the dole.

    I don't think 51 welfare recipients should be able to vote away the wealth of 49 hard working net tax payers
    So, you would have all the mega millionaire football, basketball, baseball and movie stars have more voting power than little ole you?

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, you would have all the mega millionaire football, basketball, baseball and movie stars have more voting power than little ole you?
    sure, but in the course of things-assuming I live a normal lifespan, I would probably be outvoting many of them most of the time. At 51 I am doing rather well--I see alot of jocks at that age who aren't exactly flush. But yes, someone pays more should have more say

    of course the best solution is a tax program where the many non producers cannot vote away the wealth of the producers without suffering additional hardships themselves.

    If you people want the rich to pay more of each additional dollar they earn you should be willing to trade that de jure disparate treatment in terms of taxation with de jure disparate benefits



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure, but in the course of things-assuming I live a normal lifespan, I would probably be outvoting many of them most of the time. At 51 I am doing rather well--I see alot of jocks at that age who aren't exactly flush. But yes, someone pays more should have more say

    of course the best solution is a tax program where the many non producers cannot vote away the wealth of the producers without suffering additional hardships themselves.

    If you people want the rich to pay more of each additional dollar they earn you should be willing to trade that de jure disparate treatment in terms of taxation with de jure disparate benefits
    Have you heard what caused the French Revolution?

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    When the 13 independent colonies were freed from the grip of Great Britain, the standard voting practice was done with public votes by land owners. The thinking was that those that actually owned land had a stake in the welfare of the city/county/state/country they resided in and to prevent masses of people from voting themselves largesse from the land owners. This was the way voting was done up until the 1820's when the Whig and Democratic parties platformed for change to allow all white males to vote and was passed in time for Andrew Jackson to be elected. This is why I prefer to call the Republican method of voting.

    The current way of voting is that everyone can vote that is 18 and above. This had lead to a large warfare/welfare state where the key issues aren't filled with substance, but about who can redistribute the wealth of the property owners into the pockets of the non-property owners.

    Which do you prefer?
    A system that says you must own property to vote and a system that lets any American citizen vote. I think I will go with the system that lets any American citizen vote. You seem to have this absurd idea that only non-property owners vote for their interests. Anyone who takes the time to go down the polls to cast a vote will vote for their interest it doesn't matter if they do or do not own property.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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