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    9 39.13%
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would really like to see proof of what you claim. and as for public voting, wtf? why is it your business how i vote?
    I give this source for my statements with a selected quote from the page.
    Diversions aside, the main election-day business was to vote. A few colonies, including Pennsylvania, Delaware, and North Carolina, employed some form of ballot. Others, like Virginia, relied on public voice votes, an English tradition. Voice voting made ballot counts harder to rig and, cast in the presence of friends, neighbors, local officials, and candidates, left no doubt about a voter's intention. In Virginia, voice voting was a spectator event, every voter occupying center stage for a few moments. In his book Gentlemen Freeholders: Political Practices in Washington's Virginia, Charles S. Sydnor wrote:

    As each freeholder came before the sheriff, his name was called out in a loud voice, and the sheriff inquired how he would vote. The freeholder replied by giving the name of his preference. The appropriate clerk then wrote down the voter's name, the sheriff announced it as enrolled, and often the candidate for whom he had voted arose, bowed, and publicly thanked him.

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    seriously, dude, you are no better than anyone else.
    your attack on me is both stupid and a straw man. I merely said those who pay more into the public treasury have a greater right to decide issues concerning its creation and allocation than those who pay little or nothing. Some rich tax payers are bastards and some poor people are truly good persons. But that is not the issue


    but i think you knew that but you couldn't debate what I have ACTUALLY SAID



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Personally, I like the form of government we have in the USA, a Republic. I think a democracy is too unweildy as a practical way to run a country, it seems better suited for the city-state model it was original developed for.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I believe those who pay more taxes (or have say served the nation in the military etc) should have more say than those who are on the dole.

    I don't think 51 welfare recipients should be able to vote away the wealth of 49 hard working net tax payers
    That's totally non sequitur. It doesn't apply to either Republican or Democratic governments. In a republic you can have 51 representatives of poor constituencies vote away the wealth of 49 rich ones. In a democracy, you can have 51 million voters take away the wealth of 49 mllion.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Personally, I like the form of government we have in the USA, a Republic. I think a democracy is too unweildy as a practical way to run a country, it seems better suited for the city-state model it was original developed for.




    That's totally non sequitur. It doesn't apply to either Republican or Democratic governments. In a republic you can have 51 representatives of poor constituencies vote away the wealth of 49 rich ones. In a democracy, you can have 51 million voters take away the wealth of 49 mllion.
    the non sequitur is you replying to my comment without reading the thread posts before it. It is easier in a mob rule for that to happen. But ideally, the more you pay the more say you have. That would prevent the main problems of pandering to the lowest common denominator



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You know who got us our freedom from Great Britain? It was the wealthy land owners like James Madison and Patrick Henry. It wasn't the bottom feeders of their day that got us our freedom.
    James Madison had a ****load of poor landless hill billies fighting in front of him.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    James Madison had a ****load of poor landless hill billies fighting in front of him.
    yeah and the fact that he inspired them to do so showed what a great man he was



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah and the fact that he inspired them to do so showed what a great man he was
    That's not what his statement is about. His statement was that people like James Madison and Patrick Henry got us our freedom. Ridiculous. Madison didn't even want to get involved in the war of 1812. Not sure 'who' he inspired tbh with you. More mythology people attribute to the founders I guess. It's almost like Lenin quotes.
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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what his statement is about. His statement was that people like James Madison and Patrick Henry got us our freedom. Ridiculous. Madison didn't even want to get involved in the war of 1812. Not sure 'who' he inspired tbh with you. More mythology people attribute to the founders I guess. It's almost like Lenin quotes.
    yeah those racist white landowners were schmucks.



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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what his statement is about. His statement was that people like James Madison and Patrick Henry got us our freedom. Ridiculous. Madison didn't even want to get involved in the war of 1812. Not sure 'who' he inspired tbh with you. More mythology people attribute to the founders I guess. It's almost like Lenin quotes.
    What does the War of 1812 have to do with the War of Independence? My assertation is that without the wealthy landowners deciding to band together to throw off British rule we would have never been free. You do understand that during the War of Independence only 10% of the people actually supported the removal of British rule with another 10% being against it. The remaining 80% sat on the fence waiting for the winner. By the way, those percentages are rough ones.

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    Re: Republican vs. Democracy Voting

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    What does the War of 1812 have to do with the War of Independence? My assertation is that without the wealthy landowners deciding to band together to throw off British rule we would have never been free. You do understand that during the War of Independence only 10% of the people actually supported the removal of British rule with another 10% being against it. The remaining 80% sat on the fence waiting for the winner. By the way, those percentages are rough ones.
    yeah the 1812 comment was sort of a dead herring. One think is for sure-those who drafted the constitution certainly didn't intend to create a society where they would be disarmed and their wealth voted away by the masses.



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