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Which tax system is most 'fair'

Which tax system is most 'fair'?

  • Progressive Tax

    Votes: 28 46.7%
  • Regressive Tax

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Flat Percentage Tax Rate

    Votes: 14 23.3%
  • Flat Dollar Tax

    Votes: 4 6.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 14 23.3%

  • Total voters
    60
Class warfare and racism are the central tenets to progressivism. That's what.

true progress is towards a society where we need less and less government. current progressives are actually going away from that ideal towards universal serfdom
 
Nonsense-those who are rich-for the most part-worked very very hard to obtain that. And life isn't fair. The job of the government should not be to punish success. YOu concept of fairness is not universal nor based on reality. IF we started from scratch and asked what sort of government we should have, those who are smart and talented would not agree to a government that punishes them in favor of those who contribute little or nothing. Those who have no talent or skill are not able to bargain from a position of strength and could not make the productive people join a government that caters to the dependents.

the bottom line is that if the poor continue to vote up the taxes of the productive, the productive are going to leave and the untalented are going to starve.

What creates class warfare is a widening of the gap between the wealthy socially privileged and the underprivileged working poor. Many wealthy have done nothing or do very little compared to working class citizens.. They don't have to.

Your argument does not get to the heart of the matter. The axiom of needs having cost to live in a capitalist society is a greater cost to low income people then wealthy. The wealthy spend a microscopic percentage of their money on needs. Hence forth in a consumer market where such a large percentage of the population lives and works a flat tax is disproportionately punishing to the working class.

A flat tax is less fair to the working class and increases the wealth of the upper economic strata by differing it to lower incomes.

A flat tax is not appropriate a progressive taxation is by far more egalitarian and fair. Arguing the rich deserve all the money they have is blatantly morally and intellectually dishonest. One can only rationalise that it is done out of shear political ideological partisanship and nauseating to anyone with a sense of fairness. You have no argument. You are suggesting working poor don't work? The wealthy deserve what they get from swindling the poor on cost of labour and selling the goods derived from that at a higher value then they paid for it.
 
Born Rich.. documentary. Is so hard for these people. Enjoy.

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Born Rich.. documentary. Is so hard for these people. Enjoy.

[video=google;7457140802142500840]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7457140802142500840#[/video]

You're really great at posting useless off-topic stuff.
 
Born Rich.. documentary. Is so hard for these people. Enjoy.
Statists like you make it easy for them. PROTIP: for the most part, the super-rich never bear the brunt of State banditry, i.e., taxation. They can always find a way to buy their way out. No wonder the Democratic Party is the #1 party of billionaires. The Republican Party is #2. The Libertarian Party isn't even on the radar. The State is and always has been in bed with the parasitic capitalist classes as opposed to self-made entrepreneurs. Statists work overtime to make life ever easier for the former and harder for the latter.
 
You're really great at posting useless off-topic stuff.

Not really right wing nut job. People brought up class struggle.. and how hard it was for rich people so I though it was relavent.

[video=google;7457140802142500840]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7457140802142500840#[/video]
 
Statists like you make it easy for them. PROTIP: for the most part, the super-rich never bear the brunt of State banditry, i.e., taxation. They can always find a way to buy their way out. No wonder the Democratic Party is the #1 party of billionaires. The Republican Party is #2. The Libertarian Party isn't even on the radar. The State is and always has been in bed with the parasitic capitalist classes as opposed to self-made entrepreneurs. Statists work overtime to make life ever easier for the former and harder for the latter.

right.. must be what happened when libertarian philosophy took over the political parties financial policies. TAX CUTS TAX CUTS TAX CUTS, Deregulation, free market polices, globalization, anti union policies.. insanely in favour of the wealthy and detrimental to the masses. Just massive incessant dogmatic adherence to libertarian fiscal policies has created the cozy business environment in capital hill. Go ahead deny it all you want I pretty much expect you will for the sake of your ideology.. to be right about the thing you believe in. But inside you know your indulging poorly constructed wanttabe sophist arguments.
 
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I voted other since the way the founding fathers implemented it prohibited consumption, progressive, and other taxation in the Constitution. Their idea of a fair tax system was one by the number of people living in every state and everyone paying an equal amount regardless of income. Say that the federal government needed $50 million for a certain measure and there are 1 million people living in each state. The end result is that everyone paid $1 tax to the state government for collection before being sent to the federal government. Goods imported from one state to another are exempt from taxation by the federal and state governments. The only fair consumption tax is one where the goods are exported outside of the US and goods that are imported from overseas. Taxes on gas produced in Texas and sold in Iowa are unfair since it penalizes a company in the several states just by producing a certain good. Now taxing a company in France for exporting gas into the US for sale in Iowa is completely fair due to the company not being in the several states and gives incentive for a gas company to spring up within the US.
 
I voted other since the way the founding fathers implemented it prohibited consumption, progressive, and other taxation in the Constitution. Their idea of a fair tax system was one by the number of people living in every state and everyone paying an equal amount regardless of income. Say that the federal government needed $50 million for a certain measure and there are 1 million people living in each state. The end result is that everyone paid $1 tax to the state government for collection before being sent to the federal government. Goods imported from one state to another are exempt from taxation by the federal and state governments. The only fair consumption tax is one where the goods are exported outside of the US and goods that are imported from overseas. Taxes on gas produced in Texas and sold in Iowa are unfair since it penalizes a company in the several states just by producing a certain good. Now taxing a company in France for exporting gas into the US for sale in Iowa is completely fair due to the company not being in the several states and gives incentive for a gas company to spring up within the US.

That wouldn't work.
 
What creates class warfare is a widening of the gap between the wealthy socially privileged and the underprivileged working poor. Many wealthy have done nothing or do very little compared to working class citizens.. They don't have to.

Your argument does not get to the heart of the matter. The axiom of needs having cost to live in a capitalist society is a greater cost to low income people then wealthy. The wealthy spend a microscopic percentage of their money on needs. Hence forth in a consumer market where such a large percentage of the population lives and works a flat tax is disproportionately punishing to the working class.

A flat tax is less fair to the working class and increases the wealth of the upper economic strata by differing it to lower incomes.

A flat tax is not appropriate a progressive taxation is by far more egalitarian and fair. Arguing the rich deserve all the money they have is blatantly morally and intellectually dishonest. One can only rationalise that it is done out of shear political ideological partisanship and nauseating to anyone with a sense of fairness. You have no argument. You are suggesting working poor don't work? The wealthy deserve what they get from swindling the poor on cost of labour and selling the goods derived from that at a higher value then they paid for it.

your idiotic attacks on the rich that assume the rich somehow did something improper destroys and credibility you have on the issue. Does Elton John or the Eagles swindle people by charging 100 dollars a ticket? How about Andy Roddick making a few million a year hitting a tennis ball? what about a top doctor who has more people demanding his services than he has time? WTF have they swindled?

those who whine that the rich are rich due to cheating sounds like a poor loser.
 
That wouldn't work.

only because the dems have created a nation of dependents. BUt I agree that there will always be some who don't pay their fair share. SOme are disabled and some were disabled in the service of their country and need others to carry the load for them. BUt there are way too many people who are dependency addicts and are so because the dems realize that such people are tools of the dem party and give them votes. It is absolutely disgusting that those who make no contribution to the public treasury have just as much of a say in its allocation as those who contribute millions

the libs constantly tell us that we have a duty to pay huge tax bills but yet these same class warfare types refuse to admit that the rich should be given some de JURE benefits BY THE GOVERNMENT for such de jure tax discrimination
 
your idiotic attacks on the rich that assume the rich somehow did something improper destroys and credibility you have on the issue. Does Elton John or the Eagles swindle people by charging 100 dollars a ticket? How about Andy Roddick making a few million a year hitting a tennis ball? what about a top doctor who has more people demanding his services than he has time? WTF have they swindled?

those who whine that the rich are rich due to cheating sounds like a poor loser.

Funny on how fact of the matter is turned into some variety of attack.
 
Funny on how fact of the matter is turned into some variety of attack.

what happened to your promise to ignore me?

the vast majority of the rich are rich because they worked harder and smarter than people like you. Did you think every kid who made better grades than you in HS or College cheated?
 
what happened to your promise to ignore me?

the vast majority of the rich are rich because they worked harder and smarter than people like you. Did you think every kid who made better grades than you in HS or College cheated?

Apathy can pass. Them rich people are so smrt.

One of the most brilliant people on the planet?
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That wouldn't work.

It worked fine up until 1916 when the welfare/warfare state was created. The problem is the federal government is doing things that are not powers they were delegated in the Constitution.
 
Apathy can pass. Them rich people are so smrt.

the vast majority of rich people are far smarter than the vast majority of wanna bees. No doubt about that. BUt the most virulent form of wanna bee is the wanna bee who thinks he is smart and thus should be paid well only to find out that his employer or the market values his intellect at a far lower and more realistic level. That is the sort of person most likely to whine about the rich and to claim that the only reason why others are rich and he is not is because they cheated him.
 
It worked fine up until 1916 when the welfare/warfare state was created. The problem is the federal government is doing things that are not powers they were delegated in the Constitution.

This is perhaps the best and most succinct explanation of why our federal government is out of control now.

FDR and LBJ only accentuated that cluster foxtrot
 
What creates class warfare is a widening of the gap between the wealthy socially privileged and the underprivileged working poor. Many wealthy have done nothing or do very little compared to working class citizens.. They don't have to.

Your argument does not get to the heart of the matter. The axiom of needs having cost to live in a capitalist society is a greater cost to low income people then wealthy. The wealthy spend a microscopic percentage of their money on needs. Hence forth in a consumer market where such a large percentage of the population lives and works a flat tax is disproportionately punishing to the working class.

A flat tax is less fair to the working class and increases the wealth of the upper economic strata by differing it to lower incomes.

A flat tax is not appropriate a progressive taxation is by far more egalitarian and fair. Arguing the rich deserve all the money they have is blatantly morally and intellectually dishonest. One can only rationalise that it is done out of shear political ideological partisanship and nauseating to anyone with a sense of fairness. You have no argument. You are suggesting working poor don't work? The wealthy deserve what they get from swindling the poor on cost of labour and selling the goods derived from that at a higher value then they paid for it.

How the wealthy got wealthy in the first place was because the government(s) didn't levy a death tax until the late 1890's. Parents could pass along sizeable fortunes to their descendents that then took the money their parents earned to use as capital in business that created even more money. Who cares who created the wealth to begin with since it's their property. I have yet to meet a so-called socialist that believes in wealth distribution to actually voluntarily give up their money to the poor. They have to get a third party armed with guns and quasi-legal authority to do it for them. You want to help the poor and the downtrodden then give up all of your money voluntarily to the government for redistribution. In short, put your money where your mouth is.
 
All Americans Pay Taxes
Those Who Pay No Federal Income Taxes Pay Other Types of Taxes, Most of Which Take More from the Poor and Middle Class than from the Rich

oh no doubt. mind you, you need to account for the negative income tax :). for example, last year i think my income was around the 34,000 range; so my 15% of income tax plus 7.65% comes out to me paying $7,700 in taxes. but then i got about 4,500 back after my exemptions came through; so i guess i only paid around 2 grand, or about 6.5%.

but yes, the FICA tax is regressive (which i agree is BS), and the payroll tax unecessarily hurts the poor and small business owner; which is why I am in favor of replacing them all with the actually more progressive FairTax.
 
the vast majority of rich people are far smarter than the vast majority of wanna bees. No doubt about that. BUt the most virulent form of wanna bee is the wanna bee who thinks he is smart and thus should be paid well only to find out that his employer or the market values his intellect at a far lower and more realistic level. That is the sort of person most likely to whine about the rich and to claim that the only reason why others are rich and he is not is because they cheated him.

lmao.. well at least you can console yourself in the idea your comic relief for all the un-wealthy stupids peoples.
 
Apathy can pass. Them rich people are so smrt.

One of the most brilliant people on the planet?

:) the vast majority of millionaires are first-generation. small business owners and the like.
 
lmao.. well at least you can console yourself in the idea your comic relief for all the un-wealthy stupids peoples.

Laugh all you want, You are the one who is upset you are not wealthy and whining at those who are.
 
How the wealthy got wealthy in the first place was because the government(s) didn't levy a death tax until the late 1890's. Parents could pass along sizeable fortunes to their descendents that then took the money their parents earned to use as capital in business that created even more money. Who cares who created the wealth to begin with since it's their property. I have yet to meet a so-called socialist that believes in wealth distribution to actually voluntarily give up their money to the poor. They have to get a third party armed with guns and quasi-legal authority to do it for them. You want to help the poor and the downtrodden then give up all of your money voluntarily to the government for redistribution. In short, put your money where your mouth is.

Well lets just eliminate taxation all together since we can't come up with a fair one for all the living.
 
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