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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I support this.
    Only the first one. A sales tax is too hard to realistically produce in our economy. And a flat asset tax is too volitile.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Only the first one. A sales tax is too hard to realistically produce in our economy. And a flat asset tax is too volitile.
    Yea I like that one the most.
    I could get behind it.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So in other words you support collective tyranny and mob rule. So long as the gang of men is large enough you will justify outright theft.
    No, I support an intelligent social and economic system that maximises both prosperity and distribution of economic power.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Unless you're the one remitting the taxes. To actually produce an accurate fair consumption tax, we'd need to expand the IRS at least three fold to run the necessary inventory audits to ensure compliance. We'd also need to effectively turn the credit card companies into Big Brother entities to ensure credit sales are being properly accounted for as well. When business realizes they are literally going to have a full time government auditor in their office, they will rebel against a consumption tax.
    uh just about every person charged with collecting federal taxes now on consumption does it at the state level

    try again-my wife ran a business and she collected sales taxes and we didn't have an auditor in our office. our cash register rang up the taxes which were remitted to the state monthly or weekly, I cannot recall at this point

    I sure like the idea of congress not being able to pander to the envious and the unproductive



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, I support an intelligent social and economic system that maximises both prosperity and distribution of economic power.
    that's a platitude that serves no useful purpose in this discussion

    I favor laws that make children happier, women prettier and beer better tasting myself



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, I support an intelligent social and economic system that maximises both prosperity and distribution of economic power.
    And by this you mean theft from the individual through the coercive force of the state. Me and me gang like your car, trouble is we don't have cars heck we don't even have bikes, and because we don't have bikes we're having trouble getting to work, so we're going to steal your car and sell it so we can all have bikes to get to work, but don't worry we'll give you a bike too, and tell you what before we steal your car we'll even put it to a vote and let you vote as well, all fair right? It will maximize prosperity through theft and re-distribution.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Unless you're the one remitting the taxes. To actually produce an accurate fair consumption tax, we'd need to expand the IRS at least three fold to run the necessary inventory audits to ensure compliance. We'd also need to effectively turn the credit card companies into Big Brother entities to ensure credit sales are being properly accounted for as well. When business realizes they are literally going to have a full time government auditor in their office, they will rebel against a consumption tax.
    you have any evidence that suggests that the states who use sales taxes have to maintain a significantly larger IRS in order to collect it than those who tack on additional income taxes?

    switching to a consumption tax at the retail level would reduce the number of collection points, and make noncompliance more difficult. so i'm kind of left scratching my head at your claim here.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, I support an intelligent social and economic system that maximises both prosperity and distribution of economic power.
    the two are often mutually exclusive. and, just to be sure, you believe that our rights are given to us by our government, not the other way 'round?

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a platitude that serves no useful purpose in this discussion

    I favor laws that make children happier, women prettier and beer better tasting myself

    Well, luckily, you're not the majority.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the rich get more> no they don't but even if your false claim is correct, they certainly pay far more t han they get. 47% of america pays nothing for what actually pays for the federal government-income taxes. Yet that 47% gets at least 47% of the benefits and if you count prison as a "benefit" of those in it (it certainly is an expenditure upon those in prison-to the tune of up to 65K a year) that they don't pay for via the FIT.

    So the rich are clearly paying far far more than they use to make up for all those who don't pay near as much as they use.
    This is of course total BS. Your numbers obviously use income tax data which does not account for money hidden in various foundations that are only available to the very wealthy and of course off-shore accounts.
    Also, note that working stiff is pay payroll taxes where the rich are paying none.

    Oh yeah, there is only a 15% tax on capital gains.

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