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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I prefer no tax, or a tax for localities and their projects.

    I think the rich should pay more taxes because they are the ones who designed the current failing economic system. I am tired of our governments socializing the risk while industry gets to privatize the profits and saddle in cahoots with the banking system on top of it.

    They made this mess now they can bail us out.
    for example see the above about the envy and hate. There are two kinds of rich (at least) those who are rich because of the government and those who are rich despite or with no help of the government. Its the former who screws things up not the latter.



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you believe that nonsense? ten happiest countries-what a great reason to Scew up america's freedom
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not at all. You could have simply asked me, "Why do you believe in the progressive tax" instead of making all those automatic judgments against the system.

    I will say this. Conservatives argue that the progressive tax steals from the wealthier despite not getting more benefits from the progressive tax. That the wealthiest pay more money while the poorer get more services from the government.

    But that's not necessarily the case.

    For example, what about tax cuts to large businesses to incentivize them to build their businesses in a location? That disincentivizes small businesses, after all, and it favors large businesses over small businesses despite small businesses hiring half of the employees in the U.S. So why should large-scale businesses get tax cuts as incentives to build their operations in a certain locale? That's not fair.

    Also, the wealthiest have more pull in politics. Politicians listen to lobbyists who pay them the most campaign contributions, which comes from the largest businesses. Small businesses, however, can't affect politicians in an equal way because they can't afford contributions on an equal level. Therefore, politicians are affected more from lobbying efforts of large businesses over small businesses.

    This then goes into the innate inequality of no-bid contracts that local, state, and the federal government dole out as corporate welfare to those large businesses who donate the most contributions to the most politicians. No-bid contracts stifle competition and it increases tax money spent to government contractors since there's no impetus to induce competitive prices to contractors.

    So because of this process of the wealthiest using their wealth to influence policy to garner government contracts without competitive bids, the wealthiest aren't really being taxed at all. They give cutbacks to the politicians for the government bids and make their money back and profit by increasing the price for that contract.

    So the ones who really get squeezed aren't the wealthy, who make their money back in government influence, nor from the poor, who are too poor to pay taxes, but the middle class who give all their money to taxes for government bids that pay off the wealthy.

    So until conservatives start demanding abolition of no-bid contracts and campaign financing reform, which innately favors the wealthy to influence policy over the poor, don't talk about fairness in taxes.

    Also, an argument could be said that the wealthy DO get more benefit from government services than the poor do. Businesses benefit more from a public school system from which to recruit employees from. Businesses benefit more from a universal health care system because it keeps their employees healthy. Businesses benefit more from roads and infrastructure because it allows more of their goods to be transported to markets. Businesses benefit more from defense spending because it allows them to indulge in global trade without fear of piracy.

    So while the wealthy receive less direct benefits from the progressive tax system, they receive many more indirect benefits.

    the rich get more> no they don't but even if your false claim is correct, they certainly pay far more t han they get. 47% of america pays nothing for what actually pays for the federal government-income taxes. Yet that 47% gets at least 47% of the benefits and if you count prison as a "benefit" of those in it (it certainly is an expenditure upon those in prison-to the tune of up to 65K a year) that they don't pay for via the FIT.

    So the rich are clearly paying far far more than they use to make up for all those who don't pay near as much as they use.

    and a flat tax or a consumption tax would still cause the wealthy to pay more than they use--it would just prevent politicians from pandering to those who hate the rich from voting up their taxes over and over and over.

    until everyone suffers from increased government spending, there is no incentive to reign in government spending by those who don't have to pay for it



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    What's the most 'fair' tax system? (not asking which is most sustainable, just which would be most 'fair', in a morality sort of way)
    Other, all tax systems are inherently unfair, they are legalized theft.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    The flat dollar is the most fair, but since that will never happen, a consumption tax is my next choice. Everyone needs to be paying into the kitty, because when people don't have a personal stake in what's happening, it gets out of control and class warfare keeps growing.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The flat dollar as the most fair, but since that will never happen, a consumption tax is my next choice. Everyone needs to be paying into the kitty, because when people don't have a personal stake in what's happening, it gets out of control and class warfare keeps growing.
    those who pander to those who don't have any skin in the game get way too much power from a progressive income tax

    when you see people support the progressive income tax you can generally figure they are

    1) someone who pays far less than their real fair share
    2) panders to the above

    I bet the vast majority of those who are in that 47% group that doesn't pay any income tax federally are supportive of a progressive tax



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    One of the following three


    A flat income tax on all income over a specified amount. Income being any and all things including dividends, interest income, rental income wages, gifts etc. No deductions except for childern

    A sales tax on most goods and services. Exclusions for basic foodstuffs, and primary residences (either rent or when purchased

    A flat asset tax. For example a 1% tax on all assets from homes to, stocks bonds, valuable art, or collectables
    I support this.
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