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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I cant seem to find the post where mbig asked patriot to pay for his existance. Can you tell my what post # that was?
    are you his designated spokesperson now? if you constantly scream for progressive income taxes you are demanding some pay for the existence of others



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    You're off on a tangent again.
    This string is about "fair" (and what I'm pointing out...'doable'.. a part of 'fair') not what one's Opinion of Constitutional Law is.
    If you feel, as many do, Income taxes (or some feel any taxes) are illegal.. I'm sure there's already several strings on THAT issue. And probably some people in Jail for acting on the same belief you have.
    I gave you my answer on what I thought was fair. You failed to produce where this is a democracy by showing where the word appears in the Constitution.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you his designated spokesperson now? if you constantly scream for progressive income taxes you are demanding some pay for the existence of others
    I only scream for people to pay for the portion of our goverment in proportion to how they benefit.

    As far as paying for the existence other others, aside from the extremely handicapped, I would hear of no such thing. Please note that the types of changes to our tax system that I have recommended are actually TAX CUTS for the vast majority of Americans, including the modestly rich. If I were ruler of the world, I would at the same time eleminate all entitlements. There is absolutely no justification of me or you paying for my next door neighbor to recieve disability (he is perfectly capable of working), or for my mother to continue to recieve her lifelong government retirement check, or for us to have to pay anothers rent or food bill.

    In ideology, I very much agree with your views. But we also have to look at practicality.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Most people in a low tax bracket work hard. Do you really think that the guy who has to pick up your trash has an easy job? Would you be willing to trade jobs with him?

    If you want to bitch about the lazy, I am with you. But don't accuse people who don't make as much as you of being lazy.
    I support the claim that you are arguing against: "id be ashamed if i was in a low tack bracket and mooching off those who worked hard"

    Though I also agree with you. To explain: Yes, many low income earners work very hard. But I would still be ashamed if I were them asking for progressive taxes from others who work hard.

    Not calling them lazy. Just calling them moochers if they are asking for from people who make more. Which is what they are doing by asking for entitlements from the government which are paid for moreso by higher wage-earners. They should be ashamed for asking for handouts - even if they are partially paying for it themselves. If they are taking more than giving, there is a problem with their philosophy.

    And I am positive there are people who work as hard as I do (as many hours, etc) and get paid more because they simply know more and have more experience. Society values their work more and it is represented in the money they earn. I, as a lower income earner than them, would not expect them to feel obligated to pay more for government services than I do. It just doesn't make sense. And even worse would be a gov't that forces them to against their will.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I support the claim that you are arguing against: "id be ashamed if i was in a low tack bracket and mooching off those who worked hard"

    Though I also agree with you. To explain: Yes, many low income earners work very hard. But I would still be ashamed if I were them asking for progressive taxes from others who work hard.

    Not calling them lazy. Just calling them moochers if they are asking for from people who make more. Which is what they are doing by asking for entitlements from the government which are paid for moreso by higher wage-earners. They should be ashamed for asking for handouts - even if they are partially paying for it themselves. If they are taking more than giving, there is a problem with their philosophy.

    And I am positive there are people who work as hard as I do (as many hours, etc) and get paid more because they simply know more and have more experience. Society values their work more and it is represented in the money they earn. I, as a lower income earner than them, would not expect them to feel obligated to pay more for government services than I do. It just doesn't make sense. And even worse would be a gov't that forces them to against their will.
    What if they weren't (directly) getting anything other than basic fire, road, and military services from the government. No welfare, no "refundable tax credits", no social security, no free healthcare AND what if they contributed to our society by working normal (40+/- hrs a week) cleaning your toilets or cooking your food, paid no direct income taxes, but paid taxes on things like gasoline and alcohol. Would they still be moochers?

    Is the extremely rich heiress who married some rich dude, and never worked a day in her life, but has millions in passive investments that she did nothing to earn (other than to marry well) and who pays someone else to manage her investements, and gets to pay a discount tax rate (capital gains tax) which is lower than people who have jobs have to, not a moocher?

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What if they weren't (directly) getting anything other than basic fire, road, and military services from the government. No welfare, no "refundable tax credits", no social security, no free healthcare AND what if they contributed to our society by working normal (40+/- hrs a week) cleaning your toilets or cooking your food, paid no direct income taxes, but paid taxes on things like gasoline and alcohol. Would they still be moochers?

    Is the extremely rich heiress who married some rich dude, and never worked a day in her life, but has millions in passive investments that she did nothing to earn (other than to marry well) and who pays someone else to manage her investements, and gets to pay a discount tax rate (capital gains tax) which is lower than people who have jobs have to, not a moocher?
    no she is not because she is not requiring or causing anyone else to pay for her existence. And if you note she pays someone a service to handle her investments and she probably pays far far more than she uses.

    there should be no tax on income or if there is everyone should pay the same rate. 15% on her income is far more than at least half the country pays.



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What if they weren't (directly) getting anything other than basic fire, road, and military services from the government. No welfare, no "refundable tax credits", no social security, no free healthcare AND what if they contributed to our society by working normal (40+/- hrs a week) cleaning your toilets or cooking your food, paid no direct income taxes, but paid taxes on things like gasoline and alcohol. Would they still be moochers?

    Is the extremely rich heiress who married some rich dude, and never worked a day in her life, but has millions in passive investments that she did nothing to earn (other than to marry well) and who pays someone else to manage her investements, and gets to pay a discount tax rate (capital gains tax) which is lower than people who have jobs have to, not a moocher?
    Yes she is lazy. But she is paying for her existence and not asking for others to pay more so she can pay less. So the heiress would not be a moocher.

    As to your first point: The rich get the same national security and military services from the government, ideally, as the poor. The taliban doesn't invade my home just the same as it doesn't invade the rich people's homes. If the poor asks the rich to pay more for the same services the poor gets so that the poor doesn't have to pay as much, then yes, the poor is mooching. Even if there were no entitlement programs. Including entitlement programs, they are just more severe moochers. As far as basic fire and military services, these are things that the federal government shouldn't provide (or be involved in at all). If the people in ask more local governments to provide these for the people, so be it. But that is up to the more local governments and the people they represent.

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