Flat Percentage Tax Rate
Flat Dollar Tax
Likewise with public education. Why have kids doing menial manual labor that will not give them any marketable skills when by paying tax dollars for public education they can be taught to be productive and get a job and then pay for their own needs?
and please address my main point
if people who have a majority of the votes do not feel any pain when the government raises taxes and spends irresponsibly, what incentive do those voters have to stop a government from growing and growing and growing when dem politicians promise them all sorts of handouts that others have to pay for.
we don't need that sort of power in the hands of congress and a flat tax or a sales tax still means the rich pay far more than they use
(BTW if you claim the rich pay less than they use, you have to find a group that pays far more than they use to balance it out--you cannot and its a fact that the top 5% of tax payers basically are paying far more than they use-the next 5-10% are basically breaking even and everyone below that uses more than they pay)
later, I have 8 hours of depositions tomorrow
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
I follow up with the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States."With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." – James Madison in letter to James Robertson
"[Congressional jurisdiction of power] is limited to certain enumerated objects, which concern all the members of the republic, but which are not to be attained by the separate provisions of any." - James Madison, Federalist 14
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined . . . to be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce." - James Madison, Federalist 45
"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." - James Madison, 1792
“The Constitution allows only the means which are ‘necessary,’ not those which are merely ‘convenient,’ for effecting the enumerated powers. If such a latitude of construction be allowed to this phrase as to give any non-enumerated power, it will go to every one, for there is not one which ingenuity may not torture into a convenience in some instance or other, to some one of so long a list of enumerated powers. It would swallow up all the delegated powers, and reduce the whole to one power, as before observed" - Thomas Jefferson, 1791
"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Since those objects that samsmart pointed out are not enumerated in Article I Section VIII that means that Congress cannot pass laws or provide those things. Also, by the very definition of general welfare means that everyone has to have the benefit. Since those benefits are solely for certain classes of people then it is not general welfare, but special welfare to certain groups of people. General is defined in Webster's 1828 Dictionary as, "Public; common; relating to or comprehending the whole community; as the general interest or safety of a nation." Welfare is defined from the same source as, "Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states." Thus, General Welfare literally means the enjoyment of peace and prosperity for the whole of the people.
Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-14-10 at 12:22 AM.