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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cause and effect apparently is not your strong point. America became the greatest nation in the world before we had a massive welfare state.

    Self respect doesn't come from being addicted to the dole and beholden to your Dem masters

    how are you paying my share of the taxes? THat is a major laugher
    Note to the board.. although TD quotes my posts....
    Still no answers to Them.
    Basically his Problem (as I said)
    What's "Fair" in the most simplistic/Brutal sense DOESN'T WORK.
    Some people will end up with all the marbles (thx), unless mitigated by the govt.

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    We've had "fair' throughout the history of humanity.
    Some people for reason of IQ, knack, or other advantage (including inheritance), end up with all the marbles.


    Look back at the planet 500 years or 5000 years.
    What would happen is a system of Lords and Serfs.. landowners/servants/slaves.
    Or look back at this very country 100 years and Why they instituted the income tax in the first place; The robber barrons Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie, etc. It was just to tax the top few percent.

    While men in virtual indenture servitude worked in mines, rail gangs, etc.

    Then look a THIS country in the 1950's through the 1980s when the top marginal rate was a "Communist" 50%-91%. We grew like crazy with less income disparity.
    Why bring in "Russia" .. we have US!


    The countries with the highest GDPs are the most 'socialist'. EU and Scandinavia. (and Japan)
    Quote Originally Posted by me
    First let's be clear.
    If anyone is paying for anyone else tax-wise.. it's me for you.
    [unlike you] I understand the economy/manage money and have been paying top rates when they were astronomical.

    Second.
    You didn't/Couldn't answer me.
    Because as I pointed out.. what's "fair" (in the most brutal/simple sense) doesn't work.
    You remember. Serfs and Castles.. JP Morgan, Rail gangs, and 500 servants.
    The whole expanse of history.

    That's your basic problem. How do you solve it?
    Put 85% of the country on the whim of charity or let them have some self respect?

    Alas. we're [eventually] a democracy and even tho some are really stupid (poor AND conservative), they have/will eventually distribute the money so the majority can live. Ahh democracy.


    You couldn't answer either when I pointed out this countries greatest growth and world ascendency was it's highest tax rates; During the Cold War. Destroying your "Communist" ploy.
    "Fair" will end up in democracy voting a better distribution.. or a revolution. As it always has.
    Last word away.. but you can't fight the simple truth.
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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Note to the board.. although TD quotes my posts....
    Still no answers to Them.
    Basically his Problem (as I said)
    What's "Fair" in the most simplistic/Brutal sense DOESN'T WORK.
    Some people will end up with all the marbles (thx), unless mitigated by the govt.
    America worked rather well before the income redistributionist nonsense started. It might not have worked for those who were unproductive or unlucky but it worked for America. I have asked dozens of questions of the tax hiking set and received no real answers

    is this the time when you refer to another thread and make the specious claim that I somehow got "owned" on it because someone posted an opinion you agreed with?



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That's not correct. The prebate is not about "allowing all Americans to live tax-free up to the poverty line", it is about providing people who make below the poverty line with more tax-prebate than they pay in taxes. Or more directly, it is a feeble attempt on the part of the conservitive elite to incourage liberal to vote for it (after all, liberals are all-for more welfare). Even liberals are not stuipid enough to take the bate.
    well you have half the answer, the prebate is not 'about' allowing all Americans to live tax-free up to the poverty line, it's about making a sales tax progressive - more progressive (again) than our current system; while still keeping it a tax system that conservatives will recognize as fundamentally fair and one that will be beneficial to our economy.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-13-10 at 12:35 AM.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well you have half the answer, the prebate is not 'about' allowing all Americans to live tax-free up to the poverty line, it's about making a sales tax progressive - more progressive (again) than our current system; while still keeping it a tax system that conservatives will recognize as fundamentally fair and one that will be beneficial to our economy.
    Welfare is never beneficial to our economy. It would only be more progresive that our current system - for the poor. For the rich, it would be far less progressive.

    Essentially the poor would get even more welfare than they already do, the middle class would pay the vast majority of our taxes, and the high income individuals would pay virtually no taxes (relative to their income). It's a step in the wrong direction for all three income classes. Honestly, if it was such a good idea, we would have already done that. The Fair Tax coalition has worked very hard to enact it.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    I think a flat tax is most fair. I also think the fair tax is a good idea, but the wrong idea. Progessive Sales tax? Imagine everything costing more money as you begin to make more money. That defeats the purpose of working hard to get a higher salary, and de-incentivizes career progression.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    America worked rather well before the income redistributionist nonsense started. It might not have worked for those who were unproductive or unlucky but it worked for America.
    You mean it was lucky for the children who had to go work in mines and factories before there was "income redistribution" because their parents couldn't afford to send them to a private school because the majority of Americans were farmers or factory workers and there was little in the way of public education?

    Or do you mean it was lucky for those very same children, along with adults and veteran soldiers who were disabled because of unsafe work conditions or because of military conflicts who had to either live off family, who likely couldn't afford it very well, or beg in the streets for money because they lacked the ability to do proper labor to earn a paycheck and there was no social safety net or programs for the disabled?

    Or do you mean it was lucky for those boys and girls who died before the age of 30 because instead of getting proper medical care they had to pay their rent or help buy food for the rest of their family?

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You mean it was lucky for the children who had to go work in mines and factories before there was "income redistribution" because their parents couldn't afford to send them to a private school because the majority of Americans were farmers or factory workers and there was little in the way of public education?

    Or do you mean it was lucky for those very same children, along with adults and veteran soldiers who were disabled because of unsafe work conditions or because of military conflicts who had to either live off family, who likely couldn't afford it very well, or beg in the streets for money because they lacked the ability to do proper labor to earn a paycheck and there was no social safety net or programs for the disabled?

    Or do you mean it was lucky for those boys and girls who died before the age of 30 because instead of getting proper medical care they had to pay their rent or help buy food for the rest of their family?
    I tried to make it obvious to the feelers what I was saying-America as a NATION WORKED WELL but maybe not for the unlucky or the untalented. Edify me why I have a duty to pay for someone else's existence when I get nothing in return? Mind you I support-both philosophically and with my donations, charity but that is different than supporting by force-income redistribution.

    Since you leftwingers believe in the common good as the paramount interest (at least when it comes to looting private property) one can make a good faith argument that not supporting those who cannot make it is best for society or at least better than spending billions on the unproductive. Darwin's theorem at its brutal finest



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I tried to make it obvious to the feelers what I was saying-America as a NATION WORKED WELL FOR THE ELETE
    At least thats the way I read you.

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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    At least thats the way I read you.
    ELETE?

    how do people become rich in this country? contrary to your viewpoint most get there by working hard and working smart. The Postmaster in Cincinnati came to the USA from Taiwan speaking no English. She's now an SES (Senior Executive service) level employee making close to 200K a year. she most likely retire a millionaire. Ever heard of Miguel Estrada--the guy that racist dems blocked from being on the Court of Appeals? he's a partner in a top firm making at least a million a year. Both of them are EL [I] TES and I say more power to them.

    America worked well as a nation. we were the biggest and strongest and most prosperous nation before dems saw buying the votes of the have nots with others' wealth as an easy way to win elections but weakening america while doing so.



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    Re: Which tax system is most 'fair'

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