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  • Great -- we need freedom fighters for cyclists

    1 8.33%
  • OK - but they need to be more considerate of others

    5 41.67%
  • Against - like the idea, but don't approve of how they do it

    3 25.00%
  • Dislike - they are little more than cycle terrorists

    3 25.00%
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Thread: What do you think of Critical Mass?

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    Re: What do you think of Critical Mass?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes, yes they are. I hate when they decide that they can go in between lanes at a red light but then when the light turns green they decide to go right in front of me. Nothing worse than getting stuck behind a bike. It's not that hard to just go to the side of the road to let a car pass when you're biking, I've done it plenty of times. If you can't ride close to a curb then you probably shouldn't be biking.
    Agreed where there is a curb without parked cars, but if you live in a crowded urban area, that is usually not an option as there are parked cars. To ride safely, you need to be far enough away from the cars so as not to be doored by an inattentive driver.

    Also, as for bikes going to the front, here in Taiwan, that is the law. Bicycles and motor scooters have a specifically designated space in front where they are designated to wait for the light.
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    Re: What do you think of Critical Mass?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thats cool, I only wish you had a bike lane you could use on whatever road you wish to use.
    Actually, I find few bike lanes actually meet the needs of those who actually race bicycles. They are poorly designed, not well maintained, and often have debris in them that can lead to punctures of the highly pressurized tires (typical for racing bike tires to be inflated to 115-120 psi). Others are not built well enough so they are not as smooth as roads for motorized traffic. When you are riding at 40+ km/hr, that gets really bumpy.
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    Re: What do you think of Critical Mass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How they expect people to "assert cyclists' right to the road" without trying to tie up traffic or be confrontational with motorists is utterly beyond me. Maybe I'm missing a middle way here. Otherwise their objective seems naive at best or completely disingenuous at worst.
    I was bugged by their insistance of using every travel lane and running red lights like it was their God given right. If they used ONE lane and left the other lane open to traffic and respected red lights, I would have more respect for them. I respect their GOAL, but now the way in which they are doing it. Motorists DO need to have more respect for the rights of cyclists on the road, but by DISrespecting the rights of motorists in this way, they make some motorists resent cyclists when there doesn't really need to be any...
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    Re: What do you think of Critical Mass?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You know, I try to follow the rules of the road and common sense. However, I do see a lot of automobile drivers violating the rules of the road and putting cyclists at risk. The one time I had a serious accident on a bike was because a car double-parked on a relatively narrow road and then doored me while I was trying to get around him.
    I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the activists who obstruct traffic and disobey traffic laws. My experience has been that most drivers and cyclists are responsible.

    BTW, when I was a cyclist I was always aware of such hazards and took responsibility for myself to mitigate their effect. Sort of like how I ride a motorcycle now. I don't do things on a motorcycle just because I can. The consequences are too high when someone else decides to be stupid too. I have always considered my safety to be my responsibility. Also, I had always deferred to cars on the roadways, and I rode a bicycle for many years. Critical Mass seems to want to do the opposite and force cars to defer to them in this car-centric world. I like this car-centric world, and I want it to stay that way. I think the majority agrees with me.


    define recklass and unsafe?
    I believe the words were "placing themselves in a dangerous situation" or something like. It sounded to me like it was aimed at those people who seem to think they own the road.
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    Re: What do you think of Critical Mass?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the activists who obstruct traffic and disobey traffic laws. My experience has been that most drivers and cyclists are responsible.
    I have the same experience. In fact, I even get a lot of positive comments from motorists on mountain roads because they know that they can't do what I do relatively easily on the bike. Most car drivers know that it is not easy and respect bike riders for doing what we do...

    BTW, when I was a cyclist I was always aware of such hazards and took responsibility for myself to mitigate their effect. Sort of like how I ride a motorcycle now. I don't do things on a motorcycle just because I can. The consequences are too high when someone else decides to be stupid too. I have always considered my safety to be my responsibility. Also, I had always deferred to cars on the roadways, and I rode a bicycle for many years. Critical Mass seems to want to do the opposite and force cars to defer to them in this car-centric world. I like this car-centric world, and I want it to stay that way. I think the majority agrees with me.
    I can't speak for the majority, but I agree with you that all users of the road need to take responsiblity, including cyclists and bikers. I have seem some bikers turn this into an "us vs. cagers" world, but I see bikers do some pretty stupid and dangerous things on the roads too.

    I am not sure I want the world to stay car-centric in the long term, but there is not much we can do about it in the short-term, sadly. I am not about to suggest taking the bike out to Costco for the weekly Costco run, but we need to find a better way to deal with transportation, especially in crowded urban areas.


    I believe the words were "placing themselves in a dangerous situation" or something like. It sounded to me like it was aimed at those people who seem to think they own the road.
    I find this to be a weasal phrase for whatever an anti-cyclist think is dangerous at any given moment. Two days ago, I was in Miaoli in the mountains. After making a cat 2 climb, I went down the other side at about 70-80 kph. Some people might think that is dangerous, but on a good road, following cars going the same speed at proper following distance, it is actually safer than urban driving... Just wish that car in front was going a little faster... he he he
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