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  • Protect it's citizen's rights.

    30 90.91%
  • Protect citizen's from national disasters and provide aid in such events.

    21 63.64%
  • Re-distribute the wealth.

    7 21.21%
  • Make retirement funds mandatory to pay into.

    8 24.24%
  • Make healthcare funds mandatory to pay into.

    7 21.21%
  • Give you free healthcare.

    6 18.18%
  • Maintain roads.

    20 60.61%
  • Manage buisiness.

    4 12.12%
  • Other (please discuss in post)

    11 33.33%
  • None of the above

    1 3.03%
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    It feels that the majority of people feel the role of the gov't should be a redistributor of wealth. A majority of people, though they are in the majority, can be wrong. The government needs to be set up so that such immoral acts cannot be done, even if it benefits 'the majority' of people. It is simply not sustainable.
    If that is what the majority of the people want, and it is efficient and workable to do so, then since the government is of the people, it is the people's decision for this to occur. Government evolves with how society evolves.
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I disagree. It only causes tyranny if the people want tyranny.
    there are many forms of tyranny. I hate the mob rule and the appeal to the lowest common denominator. Which is why I support constitutional rights and large capacity ammunition magazines



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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there are many forms of tyranny. I hate the mob rule and the appeal to the lowest common denominator. Which is why I support constitutional rights and large capacity ammunition magazines
    I'm not supporting "mob" rule, but I do support the people pushing for changes in government based on changes in society, morality, and beliefs. Constitutional rights would be included in that. And of course, the right to carry arms would also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not supporting "mob" rule, but I do support the people pushing for changes in government based on changes in society, morality, and beliefs. Constitutional rights would be included in that. And of course, the right to carry arms would also.
    I don't believe in allowing the majority to vote away the rights of the minority.



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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't believe in allowing the majority to vote away the rights of the minority.
    I don't believe in allowing the minority to supress the beliefs of the majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't believe in allowing the minority to supress the beliefs of the majority.
    so if all the whites in the USA believed that hispanics were a threat and passed a law saying that hispanics were to be shot on sight you'd be in favor of that?



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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if all the whites in the USA believed that hispanics were a threat and passed a law saying that hispanics were to be shot on sight you'd be in favor of that?
    TD... you know I like you. But when discussing this issue I try never to respond to hyperbolic examples. It's usually a pointless exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if all the whites in the USA believed that hispanics were a threat and passed a law saying that hispanics were to be shot on sight you'd be in favor of that?
    How likely is it that all whites in the USA-- hardly a homogenous group-- could be convinced to support such violent and racist policy?

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    The role of the US Federal Government is to protect the rights of its citizens and protect from foreign threats.
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I wonder because you have yet to show why my arguments are not logical and this leads me to wonder whether you simply oppose them because you do not personally like them.
    On the contrary -- you have refused, thus far, to lay out your argument, much less illustrate how it is sound.

    I believe that a right that cannot be exercised is not really a right, but something people simply declare to be a right. So if we say something is a right, than it has to be exercisable. As such, I make no distinction between a thereotical right and a right in physical reality as I do not believe a distinction is valid.
    Amd how is this sound? How do your argument necessarily support the premise in a manner that allows for no other conclusion?

    Because the constitution says arms. You accuse me of dodging, but this is my real, actual belief.
    You can believe that all you - guns, under the constitution, are 'arms' and thus, you unquestionably have a right to them -- thus, your dodge is getting rather this.

    Lets assume the second amendment states guns and not arms. I would look at the cost of a program to give everyone guns, what the minimum adequate gun was, whether safety training and licensing was necessary and other potential issues. If it is something the country could afford than I would probably go for it, if not, I would wait until something changes and guns became cheaper or something else.
    Oh I see... at least as far as guns go, your 'having a right = entitlement to means to exercise" position is conditional. Comvenient.
    How do you reconcile this conditionality with your position that a right thgat cannot be exercised does not exist? Itds OK for people to not have th emeans to exercise their rights if, well, it costs too much?
    Do you apply this test to all rights, or just the ones you do not like?
    Given your 'afforability" test, tell me why you you support the curent level of entitlement spending?

    I think there is a low possibility of it.
    Yes. A great example of 'souind' reasoning.

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