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  • Protect it's citizen's rights.

    30 90.91%
  • Protect citizen's from national disasters and provide aid in such events.

    21 63.64%
  • Re-distribute the wealth.

    7 21.21%
  • Make retirement funds mandatory to pay into.

    8 24.24%
  • Make healthcare funds mandatory to pay into.

    7 21.21%
  • Give you free healthcare.

    6 18.18%
  • Maintain roads.

    20 60.61%
  • Manage buisiness.

    4 12.12%
  • Other (please discuss in post)

    11 33.33%
  • None of the above

    1 3.03%
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think citizens should always have a choice at the voting booth. If a majority does not agree with me, I have no right to dictate my preferences.
    Noce dodge. That's not what I am talkling about and you know it.

    Why do you believe that people shoud not have a choice in deciding how to plan for their retirement?

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Noce dodge. That's not what I am talkling about and you know it.

    Why do you believe that people shoud not have a choice in deciding how to plan for their retirement?
    Ahh, I thought you meant choice in general.

    Nothing says they cannot save beyond social security. In fact their are many tax incentives to do so, some of which I utilize myself. do think people should have a choice given my support for and utilization of those laws.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I was not aware of this, I am curious to know about them, got any links?
    Working on it.

    Like I said though, history hasn't given life before it a fair shake.
    It's hard to find info about it.
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ahh, I thought you meant choice in general.
    No - it will soon be clear that there are choice you think people should have and choices you do not - and so, your support of choice is based on how that choice plays into your ideology.

    Nothing says they cannot save beyond social security.
    But they have no choice in saving thru social security - they MUST do this.
    Why do you support people not having this choice?

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Working on it.

    Like I said though, history hasn't given life before it a fair shake.
    It's hard to find info about it.
    That and as technology improves, so does documentation of daily life.

    But I appreciate you being my google proxy
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-09-10 at 03:03 PM.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No - it will soon be clear that there are choice you think people should have and choices you do not - and so, your support of choice is based on how that choice plays into your ideology.
    Actually, I agree with that. I do think some things should be coded into law because I think its better for society. I don't see why you would think I was ashamed to admit it or would want to hide my thoughts on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    But they have no choice in saving thru social security - they MUST do this.
    Why do you support people not having this choice?
    As I stated, I think it is better for society. However, given that I do believe there should be certain baseline things, I never said people should not go above and beyond that if they are able and choose to. I see no conflict between having a basic arrangement and having a choice beyond that.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-09-10 at 03:05 PM.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That and as technology improves, so does documentation of daily life.

    But I appreciate you being my google proxy
    All I've got right now is an audio link from NPR, which I haven't listened to yet.
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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Actually, I agree with that. I do think some things should be coded into law because I think its better for society. I don't see why you would think I was ashamed to admit it or would want to hide my thoughts on the matter.
    Good to see you'll admit that your positions are based on your ideological bigotry rather than sond reasoning.

    As I stated, I think it is better for society.
    Hmm. So you are Ok with focing people to behave a certain way when you think it is better for society that they becahse that way.

    I have lots of ideas to that end. You'll lose all kinds of choices, and you'll not have a leg to stand on when trying to argue against them.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Good to see you'll admit that your positions are based on your ideological bigotry rather than sond reasoning.
    Reasoning is how I arrived at my ideology
    I started off pretty much a libertarian (not formally, but I had a lot of the common attitudes about responsibility and social darwinism and stuff) and have become more liberal as I have gained life experience and understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm. So you are Ok with focing people to behave a certain way when you think it is better for society that they becahse that way.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I have lots of ideas to that end. You'll lose all kinds of choices, and you'll not have a leg to stand on when trying to argue against them.
    That's fine, you should vote for what you think is right.

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    Re: What do you think the roll of the U.S. Government should be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Reasoning is how I arrived at my ideology
    Really.
    What sound argument led to your conclusion that to havea right creates an entitlementto the means to exercise that right, and what sound argument led you to your selective application of said conclusion?

    That's fine, you should vote for what you think is right.
    I am sure that if it ever happens, you will be among the first to squal like a stuck pig.
    But, sonce what's good for the goose is good for the gander, your complaints will have absolutely no standing.

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