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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Nothing at all silly about it.
    The future of our nation will include more socialism.
    Its unpatriotic to deter progression,IMO..
    socialism should be eliminated by any means necessary/

    making people slaves of the government is not progress

    its de-evolution

    progress is making people free and less dependent

    you want to create more slaves



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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I found this article from FinancialWeb.com that speaks directly to the Bush tax cuts. It reads in part:



    And this from the website, TheBuzz.com:



    So, unless someone can show concrete evidence that the Bush tax cuts actually helped this nation's economy (which obviously they will not otherwise we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now), I see no reason to extend them.
    they helped those of us who pay taxes

    of course socialists don't believe in individual rights so I can understand why you don't care. People like you would confiscate all wealth over a certain limit if you thought it would advance the power of your masters.



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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the tax cuts helped everyone who actually pays taxes and the dem tax hikes start at 250K which is hardly the wealthy
    Not really. For example, Bush cancelled the estate tax. That only helped the uberwealthy since estate taxes didn't even start until $1m estates... Like 99% of the money went to the very wealthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and its NOT GIVING ANYONE ANYTHING

    where do the statist socialists come up with that crap. a tax cut is not a handout. a handout is taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who did nothing so as to buy their votes
    That's just the spin I am asking you to disregard... The effect is exactly the same whether you call it a tax cut or a handout. There is no actual difference... It's just that Republicans like one word, and not the other... The same people gain the same amount and the same people lose the same amount regardless of what you call it.

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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not really. For example, Bush cancelled the estate tax. That only helped the uberwealthy since estate taxes didn't even start until $1m estates... Like 99% of the money went to the very wealthy.



    That's just the spin I am asking you to disregard... The effect is exactly the same whether you call it a tax cut or a handout. There is no actual difference... It's just that Republicans like one word, and not the other... The same people gain the same amount and the same people lose the same amount regardless of what you call it.
    you think a million dollar estae is mega wealthy? Dismissed as someone who has no clue about reality.

    anyone who makes 75K a year and saves is gonna have a million dollar estate if they live to 75 and don't have bad investments or some really bad luck. the average GS 12 or 13 will die with a million dollar estate. many people who bought 150K homes in the 80s may well be millionaires now if they bought in the right places.

    a tax cut is not the same as a handout. For more than half of our country's history no one paid income taxes and until the FDR administration, no one paid much of their income in taxes. ONly a person who believes all wealth belongs to the government can confuse a handout with a tax cut.

    your logic is the same as saying that a robber who leaves half of your wallet's contents has given you that money.

    do you believe that all wealth belongs to the government?



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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a tax cut is not the same as a handout. For more than half of our country's history no one paid income taxes and until the FDR administration, no one paid much of their income in taxes. ONly a person who believes all wealth belongs to the government can confuse a handout with a tax cut.

    your logic is the same as saying that a robber who leaves half of your wallet's contents has given you that money.
    Say you are the government and you want to give Joe Smith $10 million. You have two options. You can write him a check or you can cut his taxes by $10 million. He doesn't care which way you do it. The effect on him is the same. The effect on the budget is the same... Anything else is just spin... Don't fall for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you believe that all wealth belongs to the government?
    You keep asking that... As though that question meant something... It does not...

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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Say you are the government and you want to give Joe Smith $10 million. You have two options. You can write him a check or you can cut his taxes by $10 million. He doesn't care which way you do it. The effect on him is the same. The effect on the budget is the same... Anything else is just spin... Don't fall for it.



    You keep asking that... As though that question meant something... It does not...



    You keep asking that... As though that question meant something... It does not...[/QUOTE]

    that is hilarious

    in one case the man has 10 million

    in the other the government has to take it from someone else

    why cannot you answer that easy question



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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in one case the man has 10 million

    in the other the government has to take it from someone else
    You're not following... In both cases, the government has the $10 million. They want to give it to some dude. They can either give it to him with a tax cut or with a check...

    Here, let me simplify it. Say that they want to give Joe Smith $10 million. They cut a check to his name. That's a handout in your book, right? Now say they write "tax refund" in the memo field. Then that's no longer a handout in your book, right? How does that make sense?

    As for you question about does the money belong to the government... That's just empty rhetoric with no substance behind it... Does the money you spend on groceries "belong" to the grocer? What is the sound of one hand clapping? Does the water in the river belong in the ocean or in the cloud?

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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a common statement by Republicans, but in fact, there are quite a few fiscally conservative democrats in congress. One of them is mine. And, I'd have a little more respect for this perspective if the Republicans hadn't been subsidizing corporate America's welfare needs for the past 30 years.
    It's called capitalism. What do you have against capitalism? It's why you have a job and can feed your family.

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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes. I'd say that it's an issue of presentation. Unlike you, Turtle didn't couch it in racial terms, i.e., "Obama is the new slavemaster on the plantation."
    That's because slavery never was abolished. Obama is the slave master of the whites, now.

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    Re: Should the Bush tax cuts be cancelled next year as Obama wants to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You can bring up some examples of reduced spending helping get us out of a recession?
    Please show where the stimulus package has helped us.

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