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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't see Christians or Mormons as suicide bombers...........
    No, they try and live when they bomb government buildings and abortion clinics. That makes it much better.
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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Such as? Can you show us an atheist who's done such thing? I'll wait.
    I don't know... Maybe Mao who made the state religion/ideology atheism for the largest country of people on the planet? Lenin is another example, who made the state ideology for the Soviet Union atheism. There have been several atheist regimes that restrict religious freedom (or try to destroy religion) and impose atheism. There are many atheists I have met who believe all religion is foolish and should be abolished. Is it not radical for one's views to include the destruction of others views? For many to militantly mouth foam about how much they hate religion and that it must be destroyed? One specific example would be Richard Dawkins. He is an arrogant real life troll that vomits his hatred through the guise of "intelligence."
    Theists are definetely a lot more explosive in their radicalism, do you disagree?
    I can't disagree with that. I will say that radical Muslims (like Iran) who literally want to kill everyone and bring about their crazy apocalypse are the most radical of the radical.
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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, they try and live when they bomb government buildings and abortion clinics. That makes it much better.
    Well the Bible does not tell them to do that. No sect of Christianity does, they take it upon themselves and use religion as an excuse. The same cannot be said of radical Islam.
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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Seems like we have different definitions of "radical". The very definition, in my mind, includes illegal activity.
    That's what I was going by as well, which is why I pointed out that radical Christians were just as bad.

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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    That's what I was going by as well, which is why I pointed out that radical Christians were just as bad.
    But as I have shown the religion or sects of Christianity do not endorse the criminal behavior. Some sects in Islam do exactly that. They are in no way the same.

    Your reasoning leaves much to be desired.
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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    No and unlike everyone else I'm not going to try to be self righteous and say that all radicals are bad. I'll talk about other radicals as soon as other radicals fly airplanes into buildings, riot over cartoons and raise their children to be murderers for their radical causes.

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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    But as I have shown the religion or sects of Christianity do not endorse the criminal behavior. Some sects in Islam do exactly that. They are in no way the same.
    Are you denying that there are such things as radical Christians? That there are not Christian groups that believe, like some of the military extremists in Michigan, that the end is coming and therefore we should go out and shoot cops? That killing abortion doctors in the name of God is a good thing? That the laws of God (by their own interpretation) are above the laws of the US and therefore they can ignore US laws?

    Now, on a scale of radicalism, I agree that there are more Muslims that are radical, and that their radicalism is worse, but denying that there are any Christian radicals is ludicrous.

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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Are you denying that there are such things as radical Christians?
    Please point out where I stated or implied this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    That there are not Christian groups that believe, like some of the military extremists in Michigan, that the end is coming and therefore we should go out and shoot cops?
    Please point out where in the NT it states we should shoot cops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    That killing abortion doctors in the name of God is a good thing? That the laws of God (by their own interpretation) are above the laws of the US and therefore they can ignore US laws?
    Here we go, the meat of it.

    #1 No place in the NT teaches or condones murdering in God's name, for any reason. It also does not condone breaking man's laws. In fact it says the exact opposite.

    #2 I think Gods laws are above mans. Of course none of those laws contradict or go against any of the laws in the US at all.

    So wrong on all counts. Now I can show you in the Koran, where conversion and subversion of governments is perfectly acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Now, on a scale of radicalism, I agree that there are more Muslims that are radical, and that their radicalism is worse, but denying that there are any Christian radicals is ludicrous.
    No one here is denying it, but it has nothing to do with this thread other than typical "Christians are just as bad" garbage.
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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Man! You are just the most stubborn guy aren't you? Can't ever admit that there may be gray areas, can't admit you might be wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out where I stated or implied this?
    Your whole attack on me has been based on this. Seriously, I've tried using little words, I've tried explaining it, and nothing seems to work. I don't know why I should keep trying.

    You keep denying that there are Christians who abuse the Bible and think it allows them to do evil things, like that has never happened. That's just ridiculous.

    So, once more, you are proving my point that facts are meaningless to True Believers and that it is impossible to debate them.

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    Re: Can a radical Muslim be a good American?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Man! You are just the most stubborn guy aren't you? Can't ever admit that there may be gray areas, can't admit you might be wrong?



    Your whole attack on me has been based on this. Seriously, I've tried using little words, I've tried explaining it, and nothing seems to work. I don't know why I should keep trying.

    You keep denying that there are Christians who abuse the Bible and think it allows them to do evil things, like that has never happened. That's just ridiculous.

    So, once more, you are proving my point that facts are meaningless to True Believers and that it is impossible to debate them.
    actually, what he's denying is, from what i've read, your implication that radical christians are of the same sscale, and equivalent to, radical muslims.
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