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  • #1 and to define and provide additional privelages

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Thread: Define the Government's duty to the people?

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    Define the Government's duty to the people?

    We the people decide what powers the government has. How big the government should be. And how the balance of powers is enforced. The founders of our nation debated this and came up with a system via the constitution. It feels to me, that we have veered from that system (for better or worse). If this is what we as a nation want to do, so be it, let's change the system/rules/constitution based on our 'new' philosophies. But neglecting the rulebook isn't the answer.

    So I feel we need to go back to the basics. Let's first ask the most important question: What is the job of our government?

    1) To define and protect our fundamental rights
    2) #1 and to define and provide additional privelages


    so let me define the options:

    1) our constitution, exactly as it is written - no extras.

    2) our constitution plus the ability to provide laws granting privelages (such as health care, social security, medicare, unemployment benefits, public roads, etc.). Assuming that most people want it, therefore it passes legislation, and all people live by it for the benefit of the majority.

    I am asking in a broad sense, should it be the government's job to step beyond simply protecting our fundamental rights as defined by the constitution and also grant us privelages?

    My arguments against any 'privelage' is always the same. But it seems those against the 'privelages'.... the GOP... are against it based on some other ideas that just don't make sense to me. The debates seem pointless to me. It's not a question of 'is this a good or bad idea' but rather, 'is it the job of the government?'

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    None of the above. Government does not define our rights. Rights are natural. The only job of government is to enforce those rights.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    None of the above. Government does not define our rights. Rights are natural. The only job of government is to enforce those rights.
    Though I 100% agree that rights are natural, I disagree that they don't have to be defined. I mean, if we don't clarify those rights, how do we know what we are asking the government to protect. Simply assuming we're all on the same page isn't good enough. What you may call a fundamental right may differ from someone else (as I'm sure it does).

    So first, let's define those rights and then decide, does the gov't have the authority to act beyond those rights. Which you seem to say "no" to (which I agree with). But you can't say they don't need to be defined. Though I believe they are obvious, they still need to be spelled out or you leave the gov't room to protect 'rights' that are beyond natural rights.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Holy loaded poll options!

    The governments duty to it's people is to create and support the best possible country within the framework of the law.
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy loaded poll options!

    The governments duty to it's people is to create and support the best possible country within the framework of the law.
    The idea is simple enough. Implementing it is the difficult part. I'm asking a question on implementation.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    The idea is simple enough. Implementing it is the difficult part. I'm asking a question on implementation.
    I answered your question. If you want to debate the fine points, but the question you presented could not be answered with your poll options, and I gave the answer as I see it.
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    It's mostly A, a little B. The main purpose of the government is to protect and proliferate the rights and liberties of the individual. Now times change, yes? Technologies improve, society becomes more complex, to protect those rights the government may have to act in various ways. It's a delicate balancing act in reality. There is necessity for government, we cannot get away from that. Anarchy does not work. Thus that means there are legitimate and necessary places for government to act. Those places may not be static, and indeed as the aggregated society gets more complex those places will not remain static. To continue to protect and proliferate the rights and liberties of the individual what the government does may have to change. Too much government is bad, which is why this becomes so very delicate. But there are proper roles of regulation and oversight which the government can partake in to ensure the free practice of our rights. The Constitution not only lays out the powers of government, but also the purpose of government. And the government can use those granted powers to fulfill its purpose. Nothing is ever static, there is no such thing as infinity. To continue to do its job to the people, how the government acts will change over time. We just have to be careful and ensure that it changes in the right way and in a way which abides by our rights and liberties.
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I answered your question. If you want to debate the fine points, but the question you presented could not be answered with your poll options, and I gave the answer as I see it.
    You say: "within the framework of the law." - my question is exactly that - what should the framework of the law be? I suppose the question needs to be clarified. not 'what' but 'how' does the government go about it. So you answered my question, but not the intent of my question. I'm not trying to debate the answers. I'd really like to know what people think and why. Could you answer my intended question instead of my actual question? (assuming my intended question is now clear)

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    The duty of the State is to protect and promote the material and moral well-being of the People. Protecting rights is only valid insofar as it is compatible with those fundamental aims.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    You say: "within the framework of the law." - my question is exactly that - what should the framework of the law be? I suppose the question needs to be clarified. not 'what' but 'how' does the government go about it. So you answered my question, but not the intent of my question. I'm not trying to debate the answers. I'd really like to know what people think and why. Could you answer my intended question instead of my actual question? (assuming my intended question is now clear)
    The government goes about it by creating laws that promote the health and wellbeing of the country.
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