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Thread: Define the Government's duty to the people?

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Aww crap. Then the duty of our government is to talk to the People like we're idiots, use only little sound bites and stump speeches, bitch and moan about the otherside while your side does nothing to remedy the problem, and continue bitching and moaning over the same problems for decades while misleading the people and performing duties and military interventions which the government was not empowered to make all while keeping up the facade of two parties, all the sound bites and stump speeches, while avoiding anything of any real consequence.
    Pretty much. That's why I think global society is becoming more and more de facto anarchistic. A great example of this is online downloads vs. copyright protections.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Aww crap. Then the duty of our government is to talk to the People like we're idiots, use only little sound bites and stump speeches, bitch and moan about the otherside while your side does nothing to remedy the problem, and continue bitching and moaning over the same problems for decades while misleading the people and performing duties and military interventions which the government was not empowered to make all while keeping up the facade of two parties, all the sound bites and stump speeches, while avoiding anything of any real consequence.
    Right.. I forgot your not interested in democratic empowerment of the state.. dam libertarians.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yeah, because that's so much easier to do than just put an "/s" at the end of your post.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Right.. I forgot your not interested in democratic empowerment of the state.. dam libertarians.
    We're not a pure democracy, so I do not believe in that. We are a democratic Republic built upon the rights and liberties of the individual. Any more smarmy comments easily shot down because of your bias and bigotry towards the libertarian political philosophy?
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    None of the above. Government does not define our rights. Rights are natural. The only job of government is to enforce those rights.
    If you think the government doesn't define your right try going to Liberia or Somalia then tell us what natural 'rights' you have. No. Go government defines your rights. If it's a ****ty government, you have no rights. If it's an 'okay' government you'll have most rights. End of story.
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you think the government doesn't define your right try going to Liberia or Somalia then tell us what natural 'rights' you have. No. Go government defines your rights. If it's a ****ty government, you have no rights. If it's an 'okay' government you'll have most rights. End of story.
    I never denied that rights can be violated. Just because they're trampled upon doesn't mean that they don't exist.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    We the people decide what powers the government has. How big the government should be. And how the balance of powers is enforced. The founders of our nation debated this and came up with a system via the constitution. It feels to me, that we have veered from that system (for better or worse). If this is what we as a nation want to do, so be it, let's change the system/rules/constitution based on our 'new' philosophies. But neglecting the rulebook isn't the answer.
    It's true that Congress and the President works for us, but other than our votes we have no power to make them do anything. We can write letters, Email, phone, and usually get a response, but it's always a form letter with a printed signature. So all we can really do is hope and pray they get it right.

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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    We the people decide what powers the government has. How big the government should be. And how the balance of powers is enforced. The founders of our nation debated this and came up with a system via the constitution. It feels to me, that we have veered from that system (for better or worse). If this is what we as a nation want to do, so be it, let's change the system/rules/constitution based on our 'new' philosophies. But neglecting the rulebook isn't the answer.

    So I feel we need to go back to the basics. Let's first ask the most important question: What is the job of our government?

    1) To define and protect our fundamental rights
    2) #1 and to define and provide additional privelages


    so let me define the options:

    1) our constitution, exactly as it is written - no extras.

    2) our constitution plus the ability to provide laws granting privelages (such as health care, social security, medicare, unemployment benefits, public roads, etc.). Assuming that most people want it, therefore it passes legislation, and all people live by it for the benefit of the majority.

    I am asking in a broad sense, should it be the government's job to step beyond simply protecting our fundamental rights as defined by the constitution and also grant us privelages?

    My arguments against any 'privelage' is always the same. But it seems those against the 'privelages'.... the GOP... are against it based on some other ideas that just don't make sense to me. The debates seem pointless to me. It's not a question of 'is this a good or bad idea' but rather, 'is it the job of the government?'
    You won't find any conservatives that will agree that the Government defines rights?
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I never denied that rights can be violated. Just because they're trampled upon doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    No. If they're not there, they don't exist. And even when they are, they really don't. There is no such thing as rights, just priviledges humans give themselves in the silly belief we're somehow above animals. History has proven there is no such thing as rights.
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    Re: Define the Government's duty to the people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. If they're not there, they don't exist. And even when they are, they really don't. There is no such thing as rights, just priviledges humans give themselves in the silly belief we're somehow above animals. History has proven there is no such thing as rights.
    Completely agree. What some people think are "rights" are actually instincts and desires. Government defines what rights a society has based on that society's morals, desires, and mores. Rights do not exist without government defining them, though desires and instincts do.
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