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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    If Christmas was replaced with 'winter solstace celebrations' or something like that, I would certainly have no problem with it. In fact, id be relieved at yet another sign that religion is been taken out of our main stream culture. People always resist change though, no matter what the logical arguments for it are.
    Religion is good for the public.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Religion is good for the public.
    It is not. It is one of the biggest sources of conflict in society and the world, or at least is regularly used as and excuse for conflict. It even conflicts with the lawmakers, and resists progress. If religion had its way, it would drag us back 200 years in civilization.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    You are aware it was theirs first, right? Christmas was tacked on to a pre-existing celebration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    If Christmas was replaced with 'winter solstace celebrations' or something like that, I would certainly have no problem with it. In fact, id be relieved at yet another sign that religion is been taken out of our main stream culture. People always resist change though, no matter what the logical arguments for it are.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by ads1981 View Post
    You are aware it was theirs first, right? Christmas was tacked on to a pre-existing celebration.
    Yeah, I do know that. Profitting from the popularity of paganism is a relentlessly annoying habit of Christianity. Poachers are what the Christians are. Whatever is popular in society, they will try to make it look like their invention. They used to get away with it, until widespread education hindered them.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    It is not. It is one of the biggest sources of conflict in society and the world, or at least is regularly used as and excuse for conflict. It even conflicts with the lawmakers, and resists progress. If religion had its way, it would drag us back 200 years in civilization.
    Steadily removing religion in the name of human progress is stupid. It will not have your intended side-effects. It is a liberal fantasy.

    Yeah, I do know that. Profitting from the popularity of paganism is a relentlessly annoying habit of Christianity. Poachers are what the Christians are. Whatever is popular in society, they will try to make it look like their invention. They used to get away with it, until widespread education hindered them.
    It sped up unification. It was necessary.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Steadily removing religion in the name of human progress is stupid. It will not have your intended side-effects. It is a liberal fantasy.
    Nonsense! If bible laws were legislative law in the US these days, then the US would be similiar to how Saudi Arabia is today. People simply wont stand for that these days anywhere. It is being heavily resisted in the countries is still does happen in.

    As for the unification and such, this is incidental and not really a product of religious philosophy.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    You need not run a theocracy to use religion constructively, to use it for good. It helps keep people with a somewhat similar vision of mankind's purpose, teaches them good moral lessons, and fulfills that common desire of mankind to feel that there is something else out there more important than our own daily lives.

    At any rate, with the "Under God" portion of the pledge has also been with us long enough to be considered current culture, our current identity. Removing it could be legitimately seen as an attack on our history, our lives. It was not there before, but that is the problem legislators and policy makers deal with. Hence why it would be counterproductive to remove it. It has done us little to no harm.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    At any rate, with the "Under God" portion of the pledge has also been with us long enough to be considered current culture, our current identity. Removing it could be legitimately seen as an attack on our history, our lives. It was not there before, but that is the problem legislators and policy makers deal with. Hence why it would be counterproductive to remove it. It has done us little to no harm.
    I dont see why we should all have to put of with things, just because they have been around for a long time. And, history could be considered an attack on those who have not had a fair role in creating it. The Christians and Christianity should get out of politics.
    Last edited by Mell; 07-12-10 at 03:37 AM.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    I dont see why we should all have to put of with things, just because they have been around for a long time. And, history could be considered an attack on those who have not had a fair role in creating it. The Christians and Christianity should get out of politics.
    It is not offensive to "many" at all. It is offensive to a relatively vocal few. You do not throw away part of our heritage lightly. Unlike Germany who hides history it does not like, we embrace it as part of where we came from.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    I dont see why we should all have to put of with things, just because they have been around for a long time. And, history could be considered an attack on those who have not had a fair role in creating it. The Christians and Christianity should get out of politics.
    It is not merely a matter of putting up with things just because it has been around for a while. It has been around with us for long enough that it is apart of our identity; the majority of the time, working for us rather than against us.

    Few could understand how the removal of religion would dramatically reduce violence. I would be among those who finds your sentiments rather naive. Perhaps along the way, such sentiments would resemble Luddites-destroying what they dislike, but without any conception for what they would use to replace that which they destroy.
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