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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I've noticed some Christians feel like their freedom of religion is under attack when you speak of removing under god form the pledge..They think somehow it's giving into the all the other religions.
    Well, maybe Christians should give into other religions and the rights of others a bit more.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    1) Everything is under God, if God(s) exist, therefore phrase is unnecessary
    2) Why only One God? What's up with that? The Greek Pantheon demands representation!
    3) Why God? No proof!
    4) No one forces kids to say it, so why not add more crazy stuff?
    5) You're looking at God? Seriously, we're pledging our allegiance to FABRIC for crying out loud! God is the least of our problems on that.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Historically it is justifiable to remove it. Constitutionally one could make the argument. Realistically speaking, it would be too much fuss. People will take it seriously if it is thought to be removed, because the symbolism involved will be tremendous in the culture war.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USA and the republic for which it stands” is all that we need. All the crap that comes afterward is needless elaboration specifying which flag/republic you’re pledging to.

    As the pledge currently stands, if the USA becomes divided, or is not under god, or fails to provide lizardy injustice for all, then the flag/republic you’re pledging to doesn’t exist and the whole thing is an empty statement.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    if people don't like it, don't say it.

    when i was in Scouts, we had to take an oath "on my honour, i promise that i will do my duty, to god, and to the queen of Australia, to help other people, and to live by the scout law"

    and if we weren't religious, we didn't say "to god", simple as that.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    I see no good reason to remove it. Likewise if it was gone I'd see no good reason to add it.

    The Pledge is not mandatory to say
    The Line is not mandatory to say
    It speaks of no specific god and thus no specific religion

    So on that, to me it "forces" no one to voilate their rights as no one is "forced" to state it. So the whole notion of rights being infringed upon, to me, is completely bogus because for that to happen someone would have to be forced to state it and no one is legally. Just the existance of it does not infringe upon your "rights".

    So the next issue is the fact its a religious connotation in something relating to the government. In this there's precedence from the "Under God" on our currency to placing ones hand upon a bible at a swearing in ceremony and onwards. To me these thinsg do not establish a "state religion" and as such are not grave violations of the 1st amendment. While I think in general things of the sort should be avoided in current legislation I have no desire nor see a need to change something that to me is not inherently unconstitutional and has historical presence (yes, it wasn't there since the beginning, but it has been there for the vast majority of most people alive's lives). So the religious nature and the constitutionality of it to me is a non-issue as I do not see it as a violation of the federal government establishing a state religion nor infringing upon individuals practice of religion.

    So the next issue would be its simply offensive. Over 80% of the country claims to be religious. This is more than a 3/4th's majority to signify a super majority in my mind. While yes, the rights of the minority need to be taken into account the annoyance of the minority is something I view as less important. As I said before, I don't believe any rights are being violated, and as such a minority of people being annoyed is not a reason for me to believe we should be changing something like this. This becomes double when one considers the notion that if you're doing it based on people finding it annoying or offensive the number of people who will find the repeal of it those things is likely even greater, thus nullifying the argument.

    Finally all of that would need to be weighed against the cost. Something like that is not going to hapen easily. Meaning its going to take up time and money in regards to drafting it, attempting to push it through congress repeatedly or trying to push it through the court system, and attempting to advertise to gain support. All of which is for something that I see as rather beniegn and unneeding of change, thus making the cost vs gain of it severely unbalanced towards the cost side.

    So no, I don't think the words should be removed.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Historically it is justifiable to remove it. Constitutionally one could make the argument. Realistically speaking, it would be too much fuss. People will take it seriously if it is thought to be removed, because the symbolism involved will be tremendous in the culture war.
    It would be the war on Christmas, all over again.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    I dislike the pledge for many reasons, myself, but I don't particularly care about the "Under God" part. It's the fact that people say a prayer to the flag that I dislike. Too socialist for my tastes.
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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    My guess is that the pledge was to the flag because there was actually one hanging in every classroom, back in the day.

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    Re: Should the words "under God" be removed from the pledge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It would be the war on Christmas, all over again.
    Except way worse. "The War on Christmas" was a legitimate fear of the public (I disagreed with their fear for the most part), but a portion of it was used to fund political commentator's books on "The War on Christmas." Removing "Under God" would do a great deal more.
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