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How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

  • Wiind energy is great & complainers should adapt.

    Votes: 20 35.1%

  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • I think Obama is an idiot

    Votes: 5 8.8%

  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    Votes: 3 5.3%

  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • I think George W Bush ruined this nation

    Votes: 3 5.3%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 17 29.8%
  • Total voters
    57
Goobieman said:
Simple. Your right to do with your property what you want ends where it negatively affects the rights of others. Wanton actions that harm others, in this case, by reducing the value of their property, are outside your rights.
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But property value is an imaginary number. It is entirely based on what a complete stranger is willing to pay for your property.

That's assuming that you've actually had a stranger offer to buy your property. In most case, it's a purely theoretical value.

Why should we consider an imaginary number based on a theoretical construct a valid measurement of negative impact?

For that matter, how does a decrease in your property value actually count as negatively affecting your rights? You still have the right to sell your property for the exact price someone else is willing to pay for it.
 
Goobieman said:
Simple. Your right to do with your property what you want ends where it negatively affects the rights of others. Wanton actions that harm others, in this case, by reducing the value of their property, are outside your rights.
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Property is an investment, just like gold, bonds, stocks etc.

You don't have the right to stop people from doing things that devalue those investments.
Not to be a jerk but the entire argument of "property values" is crap.
 
A couple of questions

1. Are said wind turbines being put on public lands and/or being paid for via public money?

2. Are they being put in close proximity to said town?
 
The wind turbines are in highly unpopulated areas, sometimes near farmland, and from what I've heard, the land is privately owned. They aren't near any homes from what I've seen, but within sight of some.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
But property value is an imaginary number. It is entirely based on what a complete stranger is willing to pay for your property.
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However true this may or may not be, property value exists; actions you take that adversely affect that value cause harm to me. Again, this is part of the reason we have zoning laws and codes.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You don't have the right to stop people from doing things that devalue those investments.
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That depends -entirely- on the situation.

The govermnent does indeed have the power to regulate the use of propwerty, thru zxoning laws, to, in part, protect the value of that properrty.

That is, after all, why we have government -- to protect the rights of the people.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
The wind turbines are in highly unpopulated areas, sometimes near farmland, and from what I've heard, the land is privately owned. They aren't near any homes from what I've seen, but within sight of some.
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Based on this statement they can protest but since the land is privately owned they really have no say other than to refuse the electricity generated from said turbines.
 
Goobieman said:
That depends -entirely- on the situation.

The govermnent does indeed have the power to regulate the use of propwerty, thru zxoning laws, to, in part, protect the value of that properrty.

That is, after all, why we have government -- to protect the rights of the people.
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Is that why most of the ghettos are next to the dumps and junkyards?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Is that why most of the ghettos are next to the dumps and junkyards?
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Not sure what point you're trying to make, or how that point is supposed to address what I said.
 
Goobieman said:
Not sure what point you're trying to make, or how that point is supposed to address what I said.
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You never seem to understand what I say. Listen to me now, please. You are very conservative, right? You hate government, right? Why do you then love the government when it enriches you and make the poor miserable? Because they are lazy?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
You never seem to understand what I say.
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I understand what you say perfectly.
The question surrounding your statements, , if not factual accuracy, is then contextual relevance.

Listen to me now, please. You are very conservative, right? You hate government, right? Why do you then love the government when it enriches you and make the poor miserable? Because they are lazy?
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Case in point.
 
Goobieman said:
I understand what you say perfectly.
The question surrounding your statements, , if not factual accuracy, is then contextual relevance.


Case in point.
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Case in point.:spin: You dodge the questions, again.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Case in point.:spin: You dodge the questions, again.
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Irrelevant questions containing strawmwn and otherwise full of ignorance are meant to be ignored.

When you can post something that addresses what I actually said, please do let us all know.
 
Goobieman said:
Irrelevant questions containing strawmwn and otherwise full of ignorance are meant to be ignored.

When you can post something that addresses what I actually said, please do let us all know.
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I am under no obligation to address anything you said. I only post knowledge concerning truth, liberty, and justice across the fruited plains and majestic mountains.:prof
 
Goobieman said:
However true this may or may not be, property value exists; actions you take that adversely affect that value cause harm to me.
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The thing is, you have no objective, finite measurement whatsoever for how much I've harmed you.

Ergo, you cannot prove how much I've harmed you.

Ergo, you cannot prove I've harmed you at all.

Goobieman said:
Again, this is part of the reason we have zoning laws and codes.
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I'd argue that zoning laws have a hell of a lot more to do with making sure that houses aren't built in industrial areas, and factories aren't built in residential areas, and that new construction in historically rich areas doesn't stick out like a sore thumb than they do with protecting your property values.

They don't actually give a damn if your property values tank or not -- because your property taxes are calculated against how you're assessed. It's only if you fight them tooth and nail on it can you get any kind of an adjustment based on recent sales in the area, and even then it's always about a reduction in an increase, not a reduction in your taxes.
 
Goobieman said:
That depends -entirely- on the situation.

The govermnent does indeed have the power to regulate the use of propwerty, thru zxoning laws, to, in part, protect the value of that properrty.

That is, after all, why we have government -- to protect the rights of the people.
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Most zoning laws are to protect people and property from unsafe stuff, not necessarily property values.
That's your burden to bear.

Want to protect the value, join a HOA.
Good luck with those boot thugs, I'd rather have the wind mills.

You don't have a right to forever valuable property, it doesn't exist.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.
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If you could make a more biased poll. :roll:

You've placed multiple pro-wind turbine options, 2 random options about Obama being an idiot and Bush ruining this nation, and two options against wind turbines which support aesthetic arguments only (possibly to make the anti-turbine side look like we only care about "how the enviournment looks" or that we quiet simply do not care about the enviournment at all) when of course the actual anti-turbine argument focuses on its unreliability to generate electricity and the health issues that the public will face from having Turbines.

There are far better options out there to generate electricity. Massive metal polls stuck in remote area's is hardly helping the enviournment anyway - its disrupting habitats and causing a lot of deaths for the bird species.

Very pro-sustainable, eh? :roll:
 
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Man-made structure/technology
Associated bird deaths per year (U.S.)

Feral and domestic cats
Hundreds of millions [source: AWEA]

Power lines
130 million -- 174 million [source: AWEA]

Windows (residential and commercial)
100 million -- 1 billion [source: TreeHugger]

Pesticides
70 million [source: AWEA]

Automobiles
60 million -- 80 million [source: AWEA]

Lighted communication towers
40 million -- 50 million [source: AWEA]

Wind turbines
10,000 -- 40,000 [source: ABC]

HowStuffWorks "Do wind turbines kill birds?"
 
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