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  • Wiind energy is great & complainers should adapt.

    29 38.67%
  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    11 14.67%
  • I think Obama is an idiot

    8 10.67%
  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    5 6.67%
  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

    2 2.67%
  • I think George W Bush ruined this nation

    3 4.00%
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    17 22.67%
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have essentially decreased my wealth. This is why things like HOAs originally started, to protect people's property values against those whom would allow their properties to become unkempt and dilapidated thus decreasing the property values of everyone else around.
    I agree that they have decreased the value of your property if they let the grass die or something, but do you consider it theft?

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I agree that they have decreased the value of your property if they let the grass die or something, but do you consider it theft?
    Depends on intent. If done deliberately, one could surely make the case. If done through fair exercise of their own property rights, then not so much. But one has had his wealth decreased by external means. What would you call it? A certainly people can reasonably be upset or worried about the value of their property, can they not? I think the dismissive statement that it's not a neighbor's problem can be found to be problematic. Because the exercise of our rights ends at the rights of others; and if you're going to cost people money through unreasonable means then you should expect perhaps some people to be upset. If these wind turbines have decreased property value, then the owners of the property have legitimate gripe.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No it's not. My property value is my concern. And if you do something unreasonable which causes the value thereof to decrease, then you have essentially robbed from me. A man has the right to protect himself from thievery.
    I have to disagree.

    To rob someone you have to purposefully take something from someone.
    If that is considered robbery, then everyone at some point gets robbed on the stock market.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on intent. If done deliberately, one could surely make the case. If done through fair exercise of their own property rights, then not so much.
    That makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But one has had his wealth decreased by external means. What would you call it?
    I have always called it bad luck. Just as a wealth increase due to external means is good luck. Of course, as you say, this assumes there was no motive involved that had anything directly to do with the property holder. (Perhaps the neighbor likes having a purple camouflage house)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A certainly people can reasonably be upset or worried about the value of their property, can they not? I think the dismissive statement that it's not a neighbor's problem can be found to be problematic. Because the exercise of our rights ends at the rights of others; and if you're going to cost people money through unreasonable means then you should expect perhaps some people to be upset. If these wind turbines have decreased property value, then the owners of the property have legitimate gripe.
    I agree with that. Mostly I just wanted to know what you considered to be theft as sometimes I have a hard time making sense of your stances on various issues, so I request more info.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Of course they're not making any noise, they're hardly turning. Let's see what a 40+ mph wind would do to that turbine. I bet it would create quite a whine.
    If the wind is blowing at 40 mph, there is already a lot of disturbance noise.
    Anything coming from the turbine will have little effect in comparison.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I have to disagree.

    To rob someone you have to purposefully take something from you.
    If that is considered robbery, then everyone at some point gets robbed on the stock market.
    Well the stock markets can be even worse because there is a lot of collusion and purposeful action and magic to defunk companies (it can be done, and oft is). But in the end, the point remains. If I have some property and you do something which causes my property values to go down, then I can be upset over that. If in a HOA there is probably something legally I can do about it. If these people had their property values decreased through the installation of the wind farm (which was more likely than not done with heavy government subsidy) then they have legitimate grief and can air such grievances.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well the stock markets can be even worse because there is a lot of collusion and purposeful action and magic to defunk companies (it can be done, and oft is). But in the end, the point remains. If I have some property and you do something which causes my property values to go down, then I can be upset over that. If in a HOA there is probably something legally I can do about it. If these people had their property values decreased through the installation of the wind farm (which was more likely than not done with heavy government subsidy) then they have legitimate grief and can air such grievances.
    They are air their grievances all they want, I'm not against that.

    I'm just saying that, subsidy or not, your property value is not a fixed amount.
    I can go up and down, there is no guarantee that your property value be high.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    That is true, but the mechanism behind that rise and fall is important for depending on what it is, it can be illegal.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    are the turbines killing endangered species?
    Doubt if Korimer the Rat can scamper up that high in order to be killed.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

    This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

    What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.
    I think that we need to become less reliant on foreign fuel sources. If I have to deal with oil wells in the gulf near me, your property owners can deal.

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