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    29 38.67%
  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    11 14.67%
  • I think Obama is an idiot

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  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    5 6.67%
  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I guess solar panels are full of toxic chemicals.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    You don't own the view around your house. As long as they're not being built on land owned by the homeowners, then there's no problem.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

    This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

    What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.
    Ascetics do matter, as does safety, the environment, and , most importantly, economics..
    We have a huge nation, so then, how do Germany and France do it ?
    We simply need better people. And a far better educational system.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    If its not your yard you don't get compensated for what someone does on their property.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Well I dont think we should drive any cars because a few years back I was driving my car, and a car on the other side of the road hit a bird and a bat at the same time, so do not drive your car, because it can kill a bird and/or a bat......

    Now back to the topic, I think it is rude for a industrial sized turbine to be built in view of a residential area, I could see why a "negative nancy" could think it may be as obnoxious as a smokestack would be to me, and I live in S.Dakota, one of the windest, open landed, barren states in the nation. Plenty of great oppurtunities to build out here and wire the power to everywhere else (I know there is an infrastructure problem, but thats another thread), instead of having it placed in your backyard. Now I believe its anyones right to have a quiet residential turbine on their property, just like its your right to have a poodle if your my neighbor.... (I just dont want to hear it bark)

    Now as far as is Wind a good idea.... well yes and no. If you have $3000 and would like to reduce your grid dependency and produce clean energy, then consider this: A $3k turbine is a decent sized turbine, it will help, it wont be to large (the higher the better) and you will be satisfied, $3k of solar panels is roughly the same situation, you will reduce dependency and will be happy with your investment. Now 5 years later, your mechanical turbine is still spinning away, and your panels are still sitting away, both producing great power outputs and you'd like to invest another $3k, well for the wind, you buy a second turbine and now you have two little machines whizzing away, but the solar guy, just buys more panels, plugs them in and expanding his exisitng setup. 5 years down the road, your mechinical turbine is getting worn out, 10 years of constant spinning pays it toll, gears are wearing, blades are flexible (less efficient) but still an overall producer, the solar panels, still sitting there. My point is turbine units cannot be upgraded and since they are mechincal will wear out faster in time. A cheap solar unit now can be upgraded slowly as time/money permit.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VonDutch View Post
    Now as far as is Wind a good idea.... well yes and no. If you have $3000 and would like to reduce your grid dependency and produce clean energy, then consider this: A $3k turbine is a decent sized turbine, it will help, it wont be to large (the higher the better) and you will be satisfied, $3k of solar panels is roughly the same situation, you will reduce dependency and will be happy with your investment. Now 5 years later, your mechanical turbine is still spinning away, and your panels are still sitting away, both producing great power outputs and you'd like to invest another $3k, well for the wind, you buy a second turbine and now you have two little machines whizzing away, but the solar guy, just buys more panels, plugs them in and expanding his exisitng setup. 5 years down the road, your mechinical turbine is getting worn out, 10 years of constant spinning pays it toll, gears are wearing, blades are flexible (less efficient) but still an overall producer, the solar panels, still sitting there. My point is turbine units cannot be upgraded and since they are mechincal will wear out faster in time. A cheap solar unit now can be upgraded slowly as time/money permit.
    a wind turbine would produce more power over time than a solar panel, as it is more often windy than sunny, and the turbine can continue over night, (having both would ensure almost continous energy) and if it is well lubricated it should last almost perpetually.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Two parts:

    Its not always more windy than sunny (no sense in arguing geography), but you can always count on the sun. I live in a historically windy place (next to a bomber base from the 20's when we needed the extra lift) and doing "rough" calculations, for my investment, a solar panel is just as good as turbine, and I am willing to argue that I live in one of the windiest places in the country. Now I do own a turbine, I am a fan of them, but generally speaking I would persuade someone to go the panel route for that reason, you can always count on Sun. The best arguement is to have both, Wind for Winter/Night and Solar for Summer/Day..... either way you are winning.

    And as far as lubrication, you and I, a little grease, yes good to go, but the average American would find it "easier" to spray his panels with a hose (or let the rain do it) then to take down his 40 foot turbine for routine maintenance. The blades will weaken in time as well. Again, minor points here, just wanted to share some insight I didnt thing about when I got into the hobby.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There is a windy area in this general area. The homeowners lost their fight against the wind turbines, and they are going up.

    This is green energy compared to other sources. The turbines are immense and the homeowners object based on ascetic considerations. They value their view.

    What do you think. This has been a huge controversy in these parts.
    I picked other. These property owners are justified in feeling pissed.They paid money for their property because of certain things, one of those things being the view.Part of me says they have a right to do with what they want with their property as long as it does not endanger their neighbors, the key words being "their property. They do not own where the windmills are going so they can not dictate where the windmills are being built. If it was a toxic waste dump or nuclear power plant then I can understand those things do present a elevated risk of danger to the community.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I picked other. These property owners are justified in feeling pissed.They paid money for their property because of certain things, one of those things being the view.Part of me says they have a right to do with what they want with their property as long as it does not endanger their neighbors, the key words being "their property. They do not own where the windmills are going so they can not dictate where the windmills are being built. If it was a toxic waste dump or nuclear power plant then I can understand those things do present a elevated risk of danger to the community.
    I agree, would of been nice if the neighborhood was informed so they could voice their opinion and/or have time to react.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    I have no problem with people protesting, however, I think in this case it is for the wrong thing. We are going to have to accept an increase in industrialization (and wind turbines are a form of that, being machines that produce something) in this country, especially in regards to energy production is we are ever going to get back on our collective feet again. Aesthetically, there is never a good place to put these things, but they always have to end up somewhere and often one place is as good as another as long as the infrastructure is right.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-06-10 at 10:05 AM.

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