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    29 38.67%
  • Wiind turbines are good & property owners should be justly compensated for decrease property value

    11 14.67%
  • I think Obama is an idiot

    8 10.67%
  • I'd be upset if wind turbines went up interfering with my view

    5 6.67%
  • The wind turbines should not be allowed to disrupt views

    2 2.67%
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Also, when it comes to the idea of a wind turbine being caught up in a storm and damaging a house -- that's equally possible with any free-standing structure or entity, so it's not really a valid argument.

    High speed wood shrapnel through your window is just as fatal as high-speed metal shrapnel through your window.

    Does that mean we should stop building houses, or tool sheds, or garages?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Also, when it comes to the idea of a wind turbine being caught up in a storm and damaging a house -- that's equally possible with any free-standing structure or entity, so it's not really a valid argument.

    High speed wood shrapnel through your window is just as fatal as high-speed metal shrapnel through your window.

    Does that mean we should stop building houses, or tool sheds, or garages?
    Yes.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
    Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
    Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
    Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
    Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
    Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
    Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
    Wind generation is still in its infancy. Remember the first car. Everyone said it would not replace the horse, beep, beep.

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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Wind advocates generally speaking know very little about the generation of power. They repeat the sound bites they hear on TV or read on the internet and then squawk like parrots. If someone disagrees with them, they want "documentation" but can't provide any evidence, much less proof, their view is the more intelligent.
    Wind is sporadic in most places. Winds usually die down at night. Ever try to sleep in a hot and humid climate at night without air conditioning?
    Wind is expensive per KWH compared to just about any existing form of electrical geneation, except solar voltaics.
    Wind will never be more than a supplement to the grid. To call it an alternative is misleading.
    Look at this map.

    All the purple places are excellent for wind power.
    Even some of the lesser areas are good on an individual scale.

    http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/p...p_80meters.pdf
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.

    And therein lies the problem: When you buy a home that happens for the present to have a nice view, it is you that is taking on some risk. The risk being that the view may not always stay the same. Sure, you're going to pay more because of the view, but that doesn't mean you purchased it. People really need to understand this: Just because you gambled that a view would be a part of your property doesn't mean that the rest of the world owes you that view. I am really sorry you didn't understand this, but them's the breaks.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is so interesting how people try to claim that they "bought a property with a view". Umm, no, you didn't. You bought a property and that property happens to have a nice view for now. Unless your deed says something about having rights to a specific view, you didn't purchase the view.

    And therein lies the problem: When you buy a home that happens for the present to have a nice view, it is you that is taking on some risk. The risk being that the view may not always stay the same. Sure, you're going to pay more because of the view, but that doesn't mean you purchased it. People really need to understand this: Just because you gambled that a view would be a part of your property doesn't mean that the rest of the world owes you that view. I am really sorry you didn't understand this, but them's the breaks.
    Personally, I wouldn't mind a wind farm or two in my view...
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Look at this map.

    All the purple places are excellent for wind power.
    Even some of the lesser areas are good on an individual scale.

    http://www.windpoweringamerica.gov/p...p_80meters.pdf
    The majority of the good wind areas, central USA, has a low density of population, and if you can get the locals in those areas to accept power that will be interrupted routinely, go for it. But, you can't pump electricity a long distance without losing a lot of it in line losses. You will need a huge SUPPLY grid to support the system, almost a duplicate to the LOAD grid. We have never had to have much supply grid because our power sources put out so much electricity that one connection to the existing supply grid is enough for a lot of people. Not so with supplements like wind and solar voltaics...
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The majority of the good wind areas, central USA, has a low density of population, and if you can get the locals in those areas to accept power that will be interrupted routinely, go for it. But, you can't pump electricity a long distance without losing a lot of it in line losses. You will need a huge SUPPLY grid to support the system, almost a duplicate to the LOAD grid. We have never had to have much supply grid because our power sources put out so much electricity that one connection to the existing supply grid is enough for a lot of people. Not so with supplements like wind and solar voltaics...
    For me, I'm not a wind only type.
    I actually prefer all of these things to be attached to individual homes, than to be formed with a single business.

    Grid tie systems are win.
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    Re: How do you feel about homeowners protesting electric generating wind turbines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For me, I'm not a wind only type.
    I actually prefer all of these things to be attached to individual homes, than to be formed with a single business.

    Grid tie systems are win.
    Then we need to start teaching electrical systems to our kids....can you imagine Joe SixPack trying to fix his own system? I have worked around electronics and nuclear power a long time, and I don't have much faith in poorly trained techs that are out there in huge numbers.
    If every house has its own, no way you want it on your grid. Any one of your neighbors can trip out the entire block....
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