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  • Atheist/Agnostic and yes, he does

    3 5.00%
  • Atheist/Agnostic and no, he does not

    27 45.00%
  • Other belief system and yes he does

    14 23.33%
  • Other belief system and no, he does not

    2 3.33%
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    10 16.67%
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Measuring the circumference of an object does not mean the object is a sphere.
    So you think the Greeks thought that the earth was of a donut shape?

    Pythagoras theorized(in reality he just 'guessed' as he couldn't really confirm it) the earth was spherical but then again many prominent greek scientists and phylosophers thought the earth was a flat disk. Ancient scientists(and I will use that term lightly as most 'scientists' of the time were really phylosophers and clergymen) did not confirm nor deny the sphericity of the earth. Modern science proved the sphericity of the earth. A few speculators theorized it.
    Which prominent Greek scientists thought the earth was a flat sphere? Aristotle knew the earth was a sphere due to astronomical observations in which stars in Cyprus could not be seen in Egypt later the Earth's radius was proven by Eratosthenes. Who are you suggesting proved the spherical nature of the earth?
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A soul is a human being. It used to be expressed in common language, such as so many souls live in this place, or not a soul was around, etc. A soul, or human being, is in possession of a body for as long as his/her mortal life lasts. After that, he/she might get a new body, or might be bodiless, no one really knows.

    That's what makes it puzzling when people express a disbelief in souls. We do know that human beings exist, don't we?
    If you're going to equivocate, you're going to be puzzled. If you're going to use "a soul" as a synonym for "a person" then I don't believe people who express disbelief in souls mean it in the way you do, they mean disbelief in the typical alleged intangible aspect to a person that survives death. You should consider the conception they are rejecting, and you'll find yourself less puzzled.

    Its like when someone explains "god is love," that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't believe in any gods doesn't not believe in love.
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have seen no compelling evidence to suggest a soul, so without that I have no reason to believe in one.
    That would make you merely a sack of meat. I think man is much more than that.
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    This debate is retarded.

    Just as I predicted.

    "I has proven evidence of a soul!!"

    "No you hasn't, I refused to believe you"

    "Yes I has"

    "No you hasnt'"

    etc.
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    How would the absence of a soul make you merely a sack of meat? Sacks of meat don't often develop space travel and plant national symbols on moons.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Actually, I appreciate everybody taking the time and effort to write, especially those of you who thought it out and gave me clear, concise reasons with videos etc. (that means you, Gabriel). I don't know why anybody else weighed in. I already know what I think, and what those who think like me, think *for the most part*. I wanted to hear from the opposing view. "If not, why not", etc.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    I'll reiterate one more time in case it was lost in the shuffle, the statement of "there is a soul," is a positive assertion which lacks falsifiability, it has as much validity and usefulness as "an invisible dragon which breathes heatless fire lives in my garage."



    The Dragon in My Garage by Carl Sagan

    Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."

    Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

    Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

    Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That would make you merely a sack of meat. I think man is much more than that.
    This is one of the main problems with all religions and religious people. They somehow think that without some imaginary entity that they call a "soul" living within them that a human being is nothing more than a carbon based machine, incapable of love, honesty, integrity, ethics and values. There is enough scientific and psysiological evidence in the fields of biology and evolutionary psychology that pertains to the nature of sentient human consciousness that it is a wonder people still believe in the existence of a soul, or anything supernatural, at all.

    No matter how much a believer "thinks" or "feels" that there is a separate part of their existence that will somehow leave their physical bodies and magically travel to another realm, the fact remains that there is no empirical evidence to substantiate the existence of soul. In fact, belief in the existence of a soul is only present as a result of the religious concepts of salvation and damnation and the delusional fantasy of a soul would not even be relevent if people did not require a defense mechanism in response to the fear generated by the belief that one can be eternally consigned to fabricated places like hell.


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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by UAF View Post
    This is one of the main problems with all religions and religious people. They somehow think that without some imaginary entity that they call a "soul" living within them that a human being is nothing more than a carbon based machine, incapable of love, honesty, integrity, ethics and values. There is enough scientific and psysiological evidence in the fields of biology and evolutionary psychology that pertains to the nature of sentient human consciousness that it is a wonder people still believe in the existence of a soul, or anything supernatural, at all.

    No matter how much a believer "thinks" or "feels" that there is a separate part of their existence that will somehow leave their physical bodies and magically travel to another realm, the fact remains that there is no empirical evidence to substantiate the existence of soul. In fact, belief in the existence of a soul is only present as a result of the religious concepts of salvation and damnation and the delusional fantasy of a soul would not even be relevent if people did not require a defense mechanism in response to the fear generated by the belief that one can be eternally consigned to fabricated places like hell.

    You must be one of those militant atheists I keep hearing about.

    Quote Originally Posted by dictionary.com
    soul   [sohl] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part.
    2.
    the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul.
    3.
    the disembodied spirit of a deceased person: He feared the soul of the deceased would haunt him.
    4.
    the emotional part of human nature; the seat of the feelings or sentiments.
    5.
    a human being; person.
    ...
    If you are using definition #5 of course "souls" [human beings; persons.] exist, but that doesn't mean that there's any reason to think that souls of the first three definitions occur in reality.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarcho-fascist View Post
    You must be one of those militant atheists I keep hearing about.


    If you are using definition #5 of course "souls" [human beings; persons.] exist, but that doesn't mean that there's any reason to think that souls of the first three definitions occur in reality.
    Thanks for the props, Anarcho. My references are strictly drawn from the religious point of view. Oh, and yes, I am one of those Militant Atheist
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