View Poll Results: Does man have a soul?

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  • Atheist/Agnostic and yes, he does

    3 5.00%
  • Atheist/Agnostic and no, he does not

    27 45.00%
  • Other belief system and yes he does

    14 23.33%
  • Other belief system and no, he does not

    2 3.33%
  • BTSOOM/FIIK (beats the **** out of me/fvck if I know)

    10 16.67%
  • Cake or death?

    4 6.67%
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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Wow. I didn't know that computers had souls. Guess you learn something new every day.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Ah, yes; that would be the "Cake or death?" option.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    "I don't know" would be an appropriate option to have in the poll ads1981.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Such arrogance.

    There are thousands of plants in the rainforest that possess medicine which are yet undiscovered, yet local natives know of them and how to use them. Because science hasn't discovered those plants, would you call them supernatural?
    A) The very fact that the natives know of them and know how to use them means that science has discovered them.

    B) If these were plants which could not be seen, heard, touched, or analyzed in any direct or indirect way then yes they would supernatural.

    It is the height of hubris to think that one form of understanding the world can know everything, and if it doesn't know, then no other knowledge is real.
    It is the height of ignorance to accept the existence of something without any evidence for it whatsoever.


    Do you see all of the world's civilizations throughout all time talking about an invisible dragon living in your garage? No. But people have talked about the soul and its nature virtually forever.

    Argumentum ad populum.



    So take your specious remarks about logic and reason and shove it.

    Specious
    - Seemingly well-reasoned or factual, but actually fallacious or insincere; strongly held but false; faith-based;

    Telling me to shove logic and reason and accusing me of specious reasoning in the same sentence?

    Irony
    - incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result;

    Your primitive science that has only been around for a few hundred measely years knows only a fraction of what this existence means.
    Actually science in the form of empirical analysis has been around since antiquity, and modern science can not only explain the existence of the universe but is allowing us to explain the time before the big bang itself through M-Theory; a beautiful convergence between the Quantum (physics of the very small) and General Relativity (physics of the very big).

    That's why people don't turn to science to answer existential questions. Those answers reside within us, not outside of us to be searched for and discovered in a lab.
    Actually they reside in a unified field theory.


    Science deals with physical nature. It knows nothing about the world of spirit.
    This is like saying that science knows nothing about the world of invisible dragons who breathe heatless fire that live in my garage.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 07-06-10 at 11:57 AM.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Last edited by Gabriel; 07-06-10 at 01:24 PM.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    This guy has soul!


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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    A) The very fact that the natives know of them and know how to use them means that science has discovered them.
    False. Something does not exist if it has not been seen, heard, touched, or analyzed by science. That is the way scientific methodology works. So those plants actually do not exist for this reason, even though natives have knowledgeable use of them. In fact, the very way western medical science works is that is not considered to have curative properties UNLESS it has been proven with research. Even if hundreds of natives come forth and say they have folk uses, western medicine would never use those plants because science hasn't verified anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    B) If these were plants which could not be seen, heard, touched, or analyzed in any direct or indirect way then yes they would supernatural.
    Then they are as good as, according to scientific methodology. This is why science is not universally practical or useful. It is highly dismissive of things that it has not yet analyzed, and then makes existential assertions about the nature of reality. It relies strictly on deductive reasoning, when inductive reasoning offers much more practical, realistic uses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It is the height of ignorance to accept the existence of something without any evidence for it whatsoever.
    There is plenty of research ongoing into near death experiences in relation to out of body experiences. You cannot claim there is no work being undertaken. Rather, it is simply you who have done no research and thus are assuming there is none.

    There is plenty of anecdotal evidence and preliminary research to indicate that consciousness can be separate from the physical body, even in death. Now, we cannot conclude that the philosophical term "soul" applies here, but there is definitely something within nature happening that we do not yet fully understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Argumentum ad populum.
    Reductio ad absurdum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    Specious
    - Seemingly well-reasoned or factual, but actually fallacious or insincere; strongly held but false; faith-based;

    Telling me to shove logic and reason and accusing me of specious reasoning in the same sentence?
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    Don't quote the dictionary at me like it means anything. This debate is subjective and you know it.

    I think it's perfectly logical, based on the work that has already been done, that there is at least enough information recorded to start forming the groundwork theories for the existence of a soul. It will probably take science at least 100 years to catch up to natural phenomenon in that department, but the occurrences exist nonetheless. There is plenty of true testimony to demonstrate that something is happening. Only an absurd fool would dismiss it all and call it specious reasoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Irony[/B] - incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result;
    Blah blah blah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually science in the form of empirical analysis has been around since antiquity, and modern science can not only explain the existence of the universe but is allowing us to explain the time before the big bang itself through M-Theory; a beautiful convergence between the Quantum (physics of the very small) and General Relativity (physics of the very big).
    You're comparing the science of antiquity to now? There is a lot that science knows now that was "supernatural" back then. Plus the whole earth being flat thing. That's the thing about science... it holds everything as impossible until the research is done; in the modern world, it is taken a step further, and research that could change the minds of billions of people is held back for the status quo.

    Thanks for bringing up General Relativity. Can you please tell me what gravity is? No one seems to know. We can explain the effects of gravity, but we don't actually know what it is. As for quantum physics, it actually can explain the soul through quantum entanglement, as I mentioned earlier. It would explain how consciousness can exist separately from the body.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually they reside in a unified field theory.
    Last time I checked there is no such thing. Yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    This is like saying that science knows nothing about the world of invisible dragons who breathe heatless fire that live in my garage.
    That line is getting old. Do you have anything new to offer or are you just going to keep putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la"?

    You are entitled to your beliefs but know that they are just that, beliefs. You cannot concretely disprove the existence of the soul anymore than I can concretely prove its existence to you using your preferred system, which is science. I find it funny that you can wave your finger of logic at me yet you ignore an entire world of research that is ongoing into the realm of OBEs.

    But by all means, keep trying to take the high road. I think you need to feel victorious more than I do.
    Last edited by Orion; 07-06-10 at 03:32 PM.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Yes, man has a soul, and so does woman.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by ads1981 View Post
    From Dictionary.com:

    –noun
    1.
    the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part.
    2.
    the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul.
    3.
    the disembodied spirit of a deceased person: He feared the soul of the deceased would haunt him.
    4.
    the emotional part of human nature; the seat of the feelings or sentiments.
    5.
    a human being; person.
    If you are suggesting that having a soul is solely a human attribute, then I would have to disagree with you.
    It is my belief that all living creatures have a soul.

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    Re: Atheists/Agnostics/Other: Does man have a soul

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    If you are suggesting that having a soul is solely a human attribute, then I would have to disagree with you.
    It is my belief that all living creatures have a soul.
    Except for big legged women.

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