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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    If it's not a right until the government passes a law and says it is, then what is it when the government passes another law taking it away?
    IMO, everything is a right until a law says it isn't.

    Not the other way around.

    Edit: The law we discuss here did not grant the right to internet access, it only stated that provisions must be made so that everyone could exercise that right if they so wished.

    OR I assume so, having not actually read it.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
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    BBC News - Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'

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    So, is access to the internet a fundamental right?
    Please explain your response.
    Sounds like a certain politician is trying to generate support for a new "infrastructure stimulus" ie; Democrat slush fund.

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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    In some ways it is people are at a massive disadvantage if they arent online.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    IMO, everything is a right until a law says it isn't.

    Not the other way around.

    Edit: The law we discuss here did not grant the right to internet access, it only stated that provisions must be made so that everyone could exercise that right if they so wished.

    OR I assume so, having not actually read it.
    My point is if the government decides whether you can have it or not, then it's not a right. If the government can give it by passing a law, then they can easily take it away by passing another law.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    My point is if the government decides whether you can have it or not, then it's not a right. If the government can give it by passing a law, then they can easily take it away by passing another law.
    That's partially true.

    Depending on how strongly protections agaisnt such a change become, and how popular the "right" is, it might be less likely to happen - or at least, happen without major side-effects.

    And I agree, this is not a right.

    It's a privilage.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    My point is if the government decides whether you can have it or not, then it's not a right. If the government can give it by passing a law, then they can easily take it away by passing another law.
    Yes, they can take it away. But in this country, the government can also pass a constitutional amendment taking away your right to free speech. Does that make it any less of a right, just because the POTENTIAL for repeal exists?

    IMO, rights are defined by the government. The Finnish government has decided that internet access is a fundamental right, and therefore it is a fundamental right in Finland. The question of whether it SHOULD be a fundamental right is a separate question entirely. I think the phrase "fundamental right" is a red herring, because the whole concept of rights varies dramatically from one country (or even one political party) to another. A better debate to have is whether the government should guarantee everyone access to broadband.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Pursuant to this story:

    BBC News - Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'

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    So, is access to the internet a fundamental right?
    Please explain your response.
    NO! Because it's not essential for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    NO! Because it's not essential for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    I dunno...

    Without the internet to facilitate easy communication between doctors, hospitals, and so forth, likely more people would die.

    Without the internet to communicate, much liberty (in the form of speech) would be less available to all.

    Without the internet, thousands of teenage (and older) males (and probably females) would be less happy...

    Without the internet, "pursuit of happiness" would be harder more difficult.

    But no, it's not essential.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    If it's a fundamental right, the pre-Internet age must have been man's Dark Age. No e-mail, 4chan, DP, or tub girl. Whoever brought it must be a messi... Oh my God... Al Gore is Jesus!
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If it's a fundamental right, the pre-Internet age must have been man's Dark Age. No e-mail, 4chan, DP, or tub girl. Whoever brought it must be a messi... Oh my God... Al Gore is Jesus!
    Before the invention of the printing press, "freedom the press" didn't really exist since their was nothing for that right to address. I see it as the same way
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