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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So essentially, they're a societal construct, but the fundamental constructs society needs to function?
    I would argue that the 'political rights' I described earlier are 'societal constructs' in that they, at least inpart, define the interaction between society and government, specifically what the government can and cannot do to the pwople while the pople are witnin its purview (that is, under investigation, on trial, incarcerated, etc). They are necessary not so much for society to function, but for the government to not overstep its bounds and oppress the people.

    Fundamental Rights are those that define the liberties of the society -- actions that people may freely take that define who we, as a people, are. We would not be us w/o the right to speak freely. We would not be us w/o the right to freely practice religion. We woudl not be us w/o the right to keep and bear arms. We do not need the rights to function as a society, but we need them to function as OUR society.

    But, as I mentioned before, these rights are freedoms you may exercise that do not run afoul of the freedoms of others. By forcing people to porivde you the means to exercise a right, you run afoul of those rights of the people forced toprovide thosse means -- and so what you have is not a right but a privilege.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, they can take it away. But in this country, the government can also pass a constitutional amendment taking away your right to free speech. Does that make it any less of a right, just because the POTENTIAL for repeal exists?

    IMO, rights are defined by the government. The Finnish government has decided that internet access is a fundamental right, and therefore it is a fundamental right in Finland. The question of whether it SHOULD be a fundamental right is a separate question entirely. I think the phrase "fundamental right" is a red herring, because the whole concept of rights varies dramatically from one country (or even one political party) to another. A better debate to have is whether the government should guarantee everyone access to broadband.
    The amendment process is a whole lot different, and a whole lot more strenuous than a 50% + 1 vote in Congress. Rights are not granted by the government. Rights exist, and our Constitution is supposed to prevent the government from infringing on those rights.
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    Re: Access to the internet - a fundamental right?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Except I'm not trying to argue the merits of what Finland is doing, what I'm doing is disagreeing with DA who was suggesting that the right is invalid because we haven't always had computers, at least that's how I read it.
    The point I was making is that people got along without the Internet before, Plenty of people get along without it today. It doesn't need to be considered a right.
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