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Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

Does a father have the right to stop an abortion?

  • No, mother's choice only.

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Yes, a father has rights too.

    Votes: 11 28.9%
  • abortion should be illegal.

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Total voters
    38
I think thats a big leap. And I don't see it as them deciding what to do to our bodies. Just deciding on whether or not to have to opportunity to have their child. They wouldn't be able to tell us how to give birth, or to give birth if a doctor told us there was something wrong, and giving birth could kill us. Also you have to consider, that how many guys would be willing to enter a single parent situation with a new born? It wouldn't be sexist men, wanting to control women. It would men who would be loving fathers to their kids,( on the majority) and I can't find anything wrong with that.



If you don't think a man should be able to force the woman to carry a pregnancy. If you don't think a man should be able to force a woman to abort. And you don't think a man should be able to legally opt out of paying child support before the child is born, your position is really not any different than mine. I would like for you to explain to me how my view is more sexist than yours. Legally you and I seem to be on the same page, you just add a bunch of warm fuzzy suggestions, to your opinion. I am not against women giving up the child to the man, if that is what she wants to do.
 
What could they do? The way the laws are now they would have to kipnap the pregnant woman and keep her locked up, fed, etc. til the baby was born.

What other things could they do? I am drawing a blank here.

When I was in the Marines (active duty),.. I had a girlfriend who I was very much in love with. We had talked about abortion and our views because when we would leave the Base (Camp Leijune) there was this huge billboard of an aborted baby,... you couldn't miss it. It looked like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with tiny bones sticking out of it. (I digress) (We both agreed that while we did not care what others did we could never abort one of our own)

Long story short,.... she came to my barraks one day in tears because she had missed her period.

She asked me for money (half of what an abortion would cost) and I remember saying "for what?" "we talked about this."

I remember saying "I'll chain your ass to the bed before I let you kill our child."

She stormed off crying,... I couldn't follow because I would have been AWOL.

A few days later she called me somewhat relieved and said she was just late,.... If she aborted, I will never know.

It haunts me even now to think that she might have. I loved her and I would have been a good father, husband and provider.

But you're right.

What could I really do except be even more careful in the future,... which I have been.
 
Logistically unfeasible (setting aside the entire "ethicality" issue).
The Chuz Liferz who hang out in front of Planned Parenthood waving placards could claim to be the putative "impregnaters" of every woman who walked through the door.
They could get court injunctions to stop these abortions; by the time DNA testing was done (not sure if fetal DNA testing is even a reality at this time) which proved they were not, it might be too late for an abortion.

The fact is, a man does not know he has impregnated a woman unless she chooses to tell him so.
And even if he learns that a woman he's had sex with is in fact pregnant, he has no guarantee that he is the "father". She may not even know.

Ever heard the old saying "Mommy's baby. Daddy's, maybe"... ? ;)

Until DNA testing, there was no way- ever- for a man to prove that a child was his.
I still don't think there's any way for a man to prove that he is responsible for a pregnancy, unless and until a child is actually born.
Let's say, hypothetically, that there is, though; let's say they can stick a needle into a fetus, extract some of its DNA, and test it to see if it matches with the putative father's.
Any male anti-choice activist could step up and claim to be the father of untold numbers of fetuses, tying things up in court until it was too late for these women to get abortions.
When DNA testing proved he was lying, one of his cronies could simply step up and say, "Whoops, actually I'm the father", putting the woman through testing over and over again until the very day she gave birth (at which point the anti-choicers would lose interest in her and her child entirely, since it's only about control over females and abrogation of females' human rights. Mission accomplished).

It is not feasible for women to have freedom of reproductive choice, if the will of men trump the will of women when it comes to women's reproductive functions.
It's utterly senseless, frankly.
It is infeasible for men to attempt to control women individually in this manner. The logistics would defeat them; ultimately, women would circumvent any such laws by simply not telling their sex partner that they were pregnant, and lying about who their sex partners were.

Men would have a better shot at outlawing abortion entirely, than at this.
Not that they'll ever be able to outlaw abortion, either, but it's a more realistic goal than passing legislation which states that individual women need their sex partners' permission in order to end an unwanted pregnancy.
There is no way that would ever work, from a practical perspective.
It would not prevent one single, solitary woman from ending an unwanted pregnancy.
It would be too easy to circumvent.

This is a very good post.
 
I remember saying "I'll chain your ass to the bed before I let you kill our child."


Chuz life, eh? :lol:

She stormed off crying,... I couldn't follow because I would have been AWOL.

You know, most real fathers would go AWOL if somebody was going to murder their child if they didn't.
I mean, WTF? It's not like they're going to shoot you for going AWOL, and even if they did, is your life worth more than your kid's?
What parent wouldn't risk life and limb to save their child from a hideous and imminent death?

:confused:
 
This is where it gets iffy for me. Especially since men, and women's average salary is not the same for the same amount of work.

Another issue but I bet you'd find reasoning for that has mostly to do with attitudes towards work more than anything else.

In general, woman enjoy more flex time, which may derive a lower amount of hours than men.
Effectively lowering their total rate of pay.
 
If you don't think a man should be able to force the woman to carry a pregnancy. If you don't think a man should be able to force a woman to abort. And you don't think a man should be able to legally opt out of paying child support before the child is born, your position is really not any different than mine. I would like for you to explain to me how my view is more sexist than yours. Legally you and I seem to be on the same page, you just add a bunch of warm fuzzy suggestions, to your opinion. I am not against women giving up the child to the man, if that is what she wants to do.

I don't think she should be able to get an abortion, if the father wants the baby, and is willing to take all of the responsibilities of said baby. But if a doctor says that there is a problem, and giving birth could harm the mother, then I think she should be given back all the power whether or not to have the baby.
Also responding to 1069, maybe if there is a dispute over the paternity, then I think all rights over the baby should revert back to the woman, since she is the only known parent.
 
Chuz life, eh? :lol:



You know, most real fathers would go AWOL if somebody was going to murder their child if they didn't.
I mean, WTF? It's not like they're going to shoot you for going AWOL, and even if they did, is your life worth more than your kid's?
What parent wouldn't risk life and limb to save their child from a hideous and imminent death?

:confused:

If anyone but you posted this,.. I would give them a more considerate response.

As it's clear you don't seek to be considerate or appreciative of anything from me,...

why bother?
 
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Chuz life, eh? :lol:



You know, most real fathers would go AWOL if somebody was going to murder their child if they didn't.
I mean, WTF? It's not like they're going to shoot you for going AWOL, and even if they did, is your life worth more than your kid's?
What parent wouldn't risk life and limb to save their child from a hideous and imminent death?

:confused:

That is exactly right. If that same woman said she was going to go kill his 9 year old (or whatever age) he would have went AWOL.
 
I think thats a big leap. And I don't see it as them deciding what to do to our bodies. Just deciding on whether or not to have to opportunity to have their child. They wouldn't be able to tell us how to give birth, or to give birth if a doctor told us there was something wrong, and giving birth could kill us. Also you have to consider, that how many guys would be willing to enter a single parent situation with a new born? It wouldn't be sexist men, wanting to control women. It would men who would be loving fathers to their kids,( on the majority) and I can't find anything wrong with that.

We will have to agree to disagree that it is a big leap. Keep in mind that there is a strong group of conservatives in this country that have been wanting to overturn a womans right to choice every since it was granted.

Do you wish to see Roe V/S Wade overturned? Cause the things being talked about is a gateway.

If a man is able to take me to court and make me have his baby so he can raise it? That is pretty much setting us back a long ways in reguards to rights about our bodies.
 
I don't think she should be able to get an abortion, if the father wants the baby, and is willing to take all of the responsibilities of said baby. But if a doctor says that there is a problem, and giving birth could harm the mother, then I think she should be given back all the power whether or not to have the baby.
Also responding to 1069, maybe if there is a dispute over the paternity, then I think all rights over the baby should revert back to the woman, since she is the only known parent.

okay so you're for the father having rights over the womans body. It's never 50/50. One side has to get their way. At best its 51/49. If I am sexist (in your opinion) for not wanting a man to have a legal right over a womans body, that is fine with me. lol
 
I don't think she should be able to get an abortion, if the father wants the baby, and is willing to take all of the responsibilities of said baby. But if a doctor says that there is a problem, and giving birth could harm the mother, then I think she should be given back all the power whether or not to have the baby.
Also responding to 1069, maybe if there is a dispute over the paternity, then I think all rights over the baby should revert back to the woman, since she is the only known parent.

There will always be a "dispute over paternity", in a world where males have the legal right to prevent females from ending unwanted pregnancies.
 
That is exactly right. If that same woman said she was going to go kill his 9 year old (or whatever age) he would have went AWOL.

In the case of a 9 year old, Magill.... I wouldn't have to worry that the court or lawyers would be defending her right to kill the child.

(thus the point of this thread)

As my girlfriend was only late,... hadn't even confirmed she was pregnant,... what was i to do? Leave my post, get arrested and sent to the brig?

How much could I defend my child from jail?

Please don't stoop to 10's tactics of twisting and personal attacks here.
 
We will have to agree to disagree that it is a big leap. Keep in mind that there is a strong group of conservatives in this country that have been wanting to overturn a womans right to choice every since it was granted.

Do you wish to see Roe V/S Wade overturned? Cause the things being talked about is a gateway.

If a man is able to take me to court and make me have his baby so he can raise it? That is pretty much setting us back a long ways in reguards to rights about our bodies.

I definitely don't want to see Roe v Wade overturned. I just think that the decision is for both parents. And I don't think it would be setting us back, but helping men have a say in their kid, from day one. In my plan I think it gives the woman every out in a situation in which where the baby could be dangerous to her body, but still be fair to the father. IMO I really don't think that many dads would choose this route, because there are easier ways to have a kid, than to be a single father. Though I still think it's his right. I really have spent alot of time thinking about this issue, because I remember when I first heard about abortion, and that it was solely my decision, at first I thought "cool, if I ever get pregnant, I can just end it without anyone else's say" but the more I thought about it, the more I thought it was unfair to the father. I think he should have rights too, because while it is my body, it is our baby.
This is also why I think sex education, and access to contraceptives should be vastly increased, because that would reduce alot of these difficult situations.
Oh, and also I think the mother should be able to take the morning after pill without his consent, because that isn't abortion. Just wanted to throw that out there.
 
In the case of a 9 year old, Magill.... I wouldn't have to worry that the court or lawyers would be defending her right to kill the child.

(thus the point of this thread)

As my girlfriend was only late,... hadn't even confirmed she was pregnant,... what was i to do? Leave my post, get arrested and sent to the brig?

How much could I defend my child from jail?

Please don't stoop to 10's tactics of twisting and personal attacks here.

People are going to debate your personal situation if you bring it up in debate.
I wont say anymore in regards to your situation though. Really it was more on my own experience of having a mid-late term miscarriage that brought me to the reality that people, even anti choice people, regard fetuses different than born children.
 
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I couldn't respond to the poll because my answer is multi-leveled. Mother's choice? Yes. Should the father be considered? Yes. Is it the right choice to abort? For me, always no, no matter what. God chooses for me. Do I expect everyone else to believe as I do? Of course not. Legal or illegal? The government should not have the power to tell a woman what to do with her body. I DO however believe in personal responsibility and since just about everyone knows that pregnancy can occur with protected/unprotected sex, then maybe it would be prudent to consider the child BEFORE this happens.
 
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To solve the issue I would say neither the father nor the mother has the right to an abortion. They both created the life, and they must give it the right to be born. Upon birth both parents can sign the child away for adoption and legally cut ties to him/her.
 
To solve the issue I would say neither the father nor the mother has the right to an abortion. They both created the life, and they must give it the right to be born. Upon birth both parents can sign the child away for adoption and legally cut ties to him/her.


This is a good answer. I think a person has right to choose......whether or not to have sex. Once a child is conceived, it's God's turf.
 
People are going to debate your personal situation if you bring it up in debate.
I wont say anymore in regards to your situation though. Really it was more on my own experience of having a mid-late term miscarriage that brought me to the reality that people, even anti choice people, regard fetuses different than born children.

:roll:

anti-choice?

Ok,...

we are done.
 
I'm sorry, are you prochoice?

Yes.

I am also pro-responsibilty, pro-rights, pro-equal rights, pro-defense, pro-accountability, pro-Constitution, pro-due process, pro-equal protection, ... etc.

And you?
 
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Yes.

I am also pro-responsibilty, pro-rights, pro-equal rights, pro-defense, pro-accountability, pro-Constitution, pro-due process, pro-equal protection, ... etc.

And you?

You would have to define equal rights and in what context.
 
You would have to define equal rights and in what context.

I am pro- "Equal rights for all" except those who have had their rights Constitutionally denied by way of due process.

And even they (those convicted) have a basic right to their life,.... unless that too has been Constitutionally denied by due process.
 
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I am pro- "Equal rights for all" except those who have had their rights Constitutionally denied by way of due process.
Good job at being very vague. I'm not into word games. I am pro-choice in the ROEVWADE sense of the word.
 
Good job at being very vague. I'm not into word games. I am pro-choice in the ROEVWADE sense of the word.

Then that would be "pro-state choice to regulate and even ban post viability" per RvW section 11.
 
Good job at being very vague. I'm not into word games. I am pro-choice in the ROEVWADE sense of the word.

Hey,.. I'm just as pro-choice as you are on elective abortion, Mag.

We simply differ on what the consequences for some of the choices people make should be.
 
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