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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then that would be "pro-state choice to regulate and even ban post viability" per RvW section 11.
    (a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician.

    (b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.

    (c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life [410 U.S. 113, 165] may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.

    Yep.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Hey,.. I'm just as pro-choice as you are on elective abortion, Mag.

    We simply differ on what the consequences for some of the choices people make should be.

    Oh, please share your opinions. I am very intrigued.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magill View Post
    Oh, please share your opinions. I am very intrigued.
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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magill View Post
    Oh, please share your opinions. I am very intrigued.
    I can clear this up: he's "pro" the "right" of a fetus to occupy the body of an unwilling human host, and extract her to bodily resources without her consent, unless this will result in her imminent death. And except in cases of rape (gotta love the consistency, lol).

    In other words, he's for "rights" that do not exist, and against rights that do exist, ie the right of a woman to control her own reproductive functions.
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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I can clear this up: he's "pro" the "right" of a fetus to occupy the body of an unwilling human host, and extract her to bodily resources without her consent, unless this will result in her imminent death. And except in cases of rape (gotta love the consistency, lol).

    In other words, he's for "rights" that do not exist, and against rights that do exist, ie the right of a woman to control her own reproductive functions.
    If she had excercised such right to begin with, then there wouldn't need be a discussion, would there?

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    If the mother and father are at odds on whether to have an abortion, they should have to have their dispute adjudicated in family court. A judge will hear arguments from both sides, and determine whose reasons for aborting or keeping the baby form a perponderance of evidence supporting their position.

    It is the only fair way to do it. As things currently stand, the mother is liable for 9 months and the father is accountable for 18 years... and the father has no say either way. Unbalanced.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I think a lot of people fail to realize the circumstances in which this might be an issue. Most people's responses are "the both should have been more responsible" . . . which is a true point. However - a lot of these types of paternity-fights happen with MARRIED couples who fall apart during pregnancy due to one reason or another.

    The nature of the relationship and the situation surrounding the pregnancy STRONGLY dictates what can and cannot happen.
    If a couple is married and she's pregnant and *then* something happens - they split - he absolutely should have the right to demand she carry that baby if he 100% will take care of the child.
    Quote Originally Posted by Magill View Post
    Also the man should not have a legal say because at that point he can not legally prove he is the biological father.
    I'm quoting these two posts as they introduce the last and most heinous [art of the unfair position some fathers come into where a mother decides she does not wish to gestate OR keep the baby after birth.

    I've already stated my position regarding a father being able to rescind responsibility during gestation if he does not wish to be a father - however what about those fathers who do want the child?

    In the US, the father (when he knows the mother does not wish to keep the born child) has to find and sign his local state "putative father" registry - registering an interest in the unborn child. There may be three consequences of this action
    1) the mother agrees to carry to term and hands the child over
    2) the mother decides (if she is still "early") to abort either because she doesn't want to carry to term or because she wants to deny him the child.
    3) the mother rescinds her wish to abort and could hand the child over to the father (very rare) or keep it herself and then make him pay child support and he might even have to fight through court for contact / access / visitation (whatever it's called in your country)

    In the UK, the father has to make sure his name is recorded on the birth certificate ONCE the child is born.

    Failure to do either and the mother can still quite easily decide to hand the child over for adoption. The father then has the expense of trying to reverse this through court and many judges still side with mother (if it even gets to court).

    So in essence at present, a mother has sole choice over whether to abort, if she decides to continue to gestation she can simply hand over the child to an adoption agency. If the father didn't sign a "putative father register" or make sure his name went on the birth certificate - she gets to take away his parental responsibility too.

    In all cases, the laws and procedures are heavily against the father (and child).

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    So in essence at present, a mother has sole choice over whether to abort...
    That is never likely to change.
    I would point out, however, that a pregnant girl or woman is not a "mother", except to any previous children she may have borne.
    At best, such women are sometimes colloquially referred to as "mothers to be".... except that if she's aborting, she won't be a mother, so that designation doesn't make any sense, in such a context.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That is never likely to change.
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    Thanks 1069, I wouldn't ever argue against a woman having the choce to abort within the first 24 weeks anyway.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I've already stated my position regarding a father being able to rescind responsibility during gestation if he does not wish to be a father - however what about those fathers who do want the child?
    A man who wants children should find a woman who wishes to bear his children and help him raise them, and then marry her. Until then, he simply should not get attached to children that might not be his.

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