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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Personally I find abortion abhorrent, but I don't seek to impress my believes on other people and think it should remain legal.
    With that said, I think it should be the choice of the woman and the man before hand.
    If the man does not want to be a father before the child is born, he should have the legal ability to not be.
    The same should be true for the woman.

    After birth or notification, all bets are off.
    If you accept the child, you accept the responsibility.
    The father should be legally able to make a woman have an abortion just because he does not wish to be a father? I do not think so
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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The father should be legally able to make a woman have an abortion just because he does not wish to be a father? I do not think so
    Not at all.
    He won't provide support and he will have no parental rights.
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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magill View Post
    Do you know many men who were tricked into ejaculating into a woman?
    Damn I hate it when that happens.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Does a father have rights to stop an abortion?
    Logistically unfeasible (setting aside the entire "ethicality" issue).
    The Chuz Liferz who hang out in front of Planned Parenthood waving placards could claim to be the putative "impregnaters" of every woman who walked through the door.
    They could get court injunctions to stop these abortions; by the time DNA testing was done (not sure if fetal DNA testing is even a reality at this time) which proved they were not, it might be too late for an abortion.

    The fact is, a man does not know he has impregnated a woman unless she chooses to tell him so.
    And even if he learns that a woman he's had sex with is in fact pregnant, he has no guarantee that he is the "father". She may not even know.

    Ever heard the old saying "Mommy's baby. Daddy's, maybe"... ?

    Until DNA testing, there was no way- ever- for a man to prove that a child was his.
    I still don't think there's any way for a man to prove that he is responsible for a pregnancy, unless and until a child is actually born.
    Let's say, hypothetically, that there is, though; let's say they can stick a needle into a fetus, extract some of its DNA, and test it to see if it matches with the putative father's.
    Any male anti-choice activist could step up and claim to be the father of untold numbers of fetuses, tying things up in court until it was too late for these women to get abortions.
    When DNA testing proved he was lying, one of his cronies could simply step up and say, "Whoops, actually I'm the father", putting the woman through testing over and over again until the very day she gave birth (at which point the anti-choicers would lose interest in her and her child entirely, since it's only about control over females and abrogation of females' human rights. Mission accomplished).

    It is not feasible for women to have freedom of reproductive choice, if the will of men trump the will of women when it comes to women's reproductive functions.
    It's utterly senseless, frankly.
    It is infeasible for men to attempt to control women individually in this manner. The logistics would defeat them; ultimately, women would circumvent any such laws by simply not telling their sex partners that they were pregnant, and lying about who their sex partners were.

    Men would have a better shot at outlawing abortion entirely, than at this.
    Not that they'll ever be able to outlaw abortion, either, but it's a more realistic goal than passing legislation which dictates that individual women need permission from their sex partners in order to end an unwanted pregnancy.
    There is no way that would ever work, from a practical perspective.
    It would not prevent one single, solitary woman from ending an unwanted pregnancy.
    It would be too easy to circumvent.
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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at all.
    He won't provide support and he will have no parental rights.
    This is where it gets iffy for me. Especially since men, and women's average salary is not the same for the same amount of work.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I think thats a big leap. And I don't see it as them deciding what to do to our bodies. Just deciding on whether or not to have to opportunity to have their child. They wouldn't be able to tell us how to give birth, or to give birth if a doctor told us there was something wrong, and giving birth could kill us. Also you have to consider, that how many guys would be willing to enter a single parent situation with a new born? It wouldn't be sexist men, wanting to control women. It would men who would be loving fathers to their kids,( on the majority) and I can't find anything wrong with that.


    If you don't think a man should be able to force the woman to carry a pregnancy. If you don't think a man should be able to force a woman to abort. And you don't think a man should be able to legally opt out of paying child support before the child is born, your position is really not any different than mine. I would like for you to explain to me how my view is more sexist than yours. Legally you and I seem to be on the same page, you just add a bunch of warm fuzzy suggestions, to your opinion. I am not against women giving up the child to the man, if that is what she wants to do.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    What could they do? The way the laws are now they would have to kipnap the pregnant woman and keep her locked up, fed, etc. til the baby was born.

    What other things could they do? I am drawing a blank here.
    When I was in the Marines (active duty),.. I had a girlfriend who I was very much in love with. We had talked about abortion and our views because when we would leave the Base (Camp Leijune) there was this huge billboard of an aborted baby,... you couldn't miss it. It looked like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with tiny bones sticking out of it. (I digress) (We both agreed that while we did not care what others did we could never abort one of our own)

    Long story short,.... she came to my barraks one day in tears because she had missed her period.

    She asked me for money (half of what an abortion would cost) and I remember saying "for what?" "we talked about this."

    I remember saying "I'll chain your ass to the bed before I let you kill our child."

    She stormed off crying,... I couldn't follow because I would have been AWOL.

    A few days later she called me somewhat relieved and said she was just late,.... If she aborted, I will never know.

    It haunts me even now to think that she might have. I loved her and I would have been a good father, husband and provider.

    But you're right.

    What could I really do except be even more careful in the future,... which I have been.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Logistically unfeasible (setting aside the entire "ethicality" issue).
    The Chuz Liferz who hang out in front of Planned Parenthood waving placards could claim to be the putative "impregnaters" of every woman who walked through the door.
    They could get court injunctions to stop these abortions; by the time DNA testing was done (not sure if fetal DNA testing is even a reality at this time) which proved they were not, it might be too late for an abortion.

    The fact is, a man does not know he has impregnated a woman unless she chooses to tell him so.
    And even if he learns that a woman he's had sex with is in fact pregnant, he has no guarantee that he is the "father". She may not even know.

    Ever heard the old saying "Mommy's baby. Daddy's, maybe"... ?

    Until DNA testing, there was no way- ever- for a man to prove that a child was his.
    I still don't think there's any way for a man to prove that he is responsible for a pregnancy, unless and until a child is actually born.
    Let's say, hypothetically, that there is, though; let's say they can stick a needle into a fetus, extract some of its DNA, and test it to see if it matches with the putative father's.
    Any male anti-choice activist could step up and claim to be the father of untold numbers of fetuses, tying things up in court until it was too late for these women to get abortions.
    When DNA testing proved he was lying, one of his cronies could simply step up and say, "Whoops, actually I'm the father", putting the woman through testing over and over again until the very day she gave birth (at which point the anti-choicers would lose interest in her and her child entirely, since it's only about control over females and abrogation of females' human rights. Mission accomplished).

    It is not feasible for women to have freedom of reproductive choice, if the will of men trump the will of women when it comes to women's reproductive functions.
    It's utterly senseless, frankly.
    It is infeasible for men to attempt to control women individually in this manner. The logistics would defeat them; ultimately, women would circumvent any such laws by simply not telling their sex partner that they were pregnant, and lying about who their sex partners were.

    Men would have a better shot at outlawing abortion entirely, than at this.
    Not that they'll ever be able to outlaw abortion, either, but it's a more realistic goal than passing legislation which states that individual women need their sex partners' permission in order to end an unwanted pregnancy.
    There is no way that would ever work, from a practical perspective.
    It would not prevent one single, solitary woman from ending an unwanted pregnancy.
    It would be too easy to circumvent.
    This is a very good post.

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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I remember saying "I'll chain your ass to the bed before I let you kill our child."

    Chuz life, eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    She stormed off crying,... I couldn't follow because I would have been AWOL.
    You know, most real fathers would go AWOL if somebody was going to murder their child if they didn't.
    I mean, WTF? It's not like they're going to shoot you for going AWOL, and even if they did, is your life worth more than your kid's?
    What parent wouldn't risk life and limb to save their child from a hideous and imminent death?


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    Re: Does the father have a right to stop an abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This is where it gets iffy for me. Especially since men, and women's average salary is not the same for the same amount of work.
    Another issue but I bet you'd find reasoning for that has mostly to do with attitudes towards work more than anything else.

    In general, woman enjoy more flex time, which may derive a lower amount of hours than men.
    Effectively lowering their total rate of pay.
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