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Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally?

  • Yes! I'll be there protesting!

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • No! I'll be an audience member of the rally.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No. I wish I could go!

    Votes: 12 57.1%
  • Yes! I can't go, but I'll speak out online or other ways.

    Votes: 8 38.1%

  • Total voters
    21
Just because people may not like him or what he has to say, doesn't mean he lacks credibility.

Just because you don't like Keith Olbermann doesn't mean he lacks credibility. It's cause he's a partisan entertainer that will distort whatever he can for ratings and popularity and to appeal to his designated audience.

Same goes for Beck. When you heard him joke about poisoning Nancy Pelosi, or call the President a racist, or make fun of the presidents child, or insult 9/11 families, or act as if the government is out to get him, or how Rockefeller plaza has communist ties, compared stem cell research to eugenics etc, do you really think he's credible and being sincere or do you think he's appealing to his base and will say whatever he has to to make money and get an audience? I'll be the first to admit it when I think someone on the left isn't sincere and acting like a jackass for ratings or just for pure partisanship, and people on the right have to follow suit. I understand that he espouses alot of sane conservative beliefs about smaller government etc., but don't expect normal people to take him seriously after listening to all his other garbage.

Even most sane conservatives know it's a shtick and that he's off the deep end.
 
Just because people may not like him or what he has to say, doesn't mean he lacks credibility.

Yes, but the fact that he lacks credibility means that he lacks credibility. He distorts, covers up, emotionalizes all the time. Hyperbole is one of his best friends.
 
Just because you don't like Keith Olbermann doesn't mean he lacks credibility. It's cause he's a partisan entertainer that will distort whatever he can for ratings and popularity and to appeal to his designated audience.

Same goes for Beck. When you heard him joke about poisoning Nancy Pelosi, or call the President a racist, or make fun of the presidents child, or insult 9/11 families, or act as if the government is out to get him, or how Rockefeller plaza has communist ties, compared stem cell research to eugenics etc, do you really think he's credible and being sincere or do you think he's appealing to his base and will say whatever he has to to make money and get an audience? I'll be the first to admit it when I think someone on the left isn't sincere and acting like a jackass for ratings or just for pure partisanship, and people on the right have to follow suit. I understand that he espouses alot of sane conservative beliefs about smaller government etc., but don't expect normal people to take him seriously after listening to all his other garbage.

Even most sane conservatives know it's a shtick and that he's off the deep end.

Exactly. People keep in mind, Olbermann, Beck, Hannity, etc they are ENTERTAINERS. Not logical analysts of political pundits, but entertainers. They do it for the ratings.
 
Exactly. People keep in mind, Olbermann, Beck, Hannity, etc they are ENTERTAINERS. Not logical analysts of political pundits, but entertainers. They do it for the ratings.

Nice trick to be able to know what's in someone's heart. I can do that too. I think Hannity and Glenn have big generous hearts and they love this country. Their high ratings are because of that. I think Olbermann is only in it for the ratings. How's that working out?
 
No idea. Would any liberals put aside their prejudices against Glenn Beck long enough to find out what it's actually about?

A few thoughts. First, I'm not a liberal. I'm quite conservative on a number of key issues, particularly fiscal responsibility.

Second, my view of Glenn Beck is that he presents discredited pseudo historians and skewed data on his show, and people whose views he's reinforcing soak that **** up like a sponge. This view is based upon evaluating the information that Mr. Beck presents on a number of issues. I've watched his show many times, and Rush Limbaugh does a better job of presenting unbiased and objective, factual information...and that's saying something.

Your view is that liberals are "prejudiced" against Glenn Beck personally because "they" don't like his message. My view is that he's shoddy and sloppy in handling facts and that he uses his bully pulpit to influence the weak=minded fools in this country who have zero idea how to do their own research and prefer their pablum in a convenient, ready-to-use television format.

His followers tend to be similarly sloppy thinkers who don't know the history of their own religions, much less the history of this nation, and who are too lazy to crack a book, read, and find out. They prefer having their prejudices reinforced by Glenn Beck to doing the sort of research that would help them understand their own system of government and country. They're lazy, cowardly, anti-intellectual, and many of them are racists who lack the dignity to be open with their despicable views. And, worst of all, they pride themselves on these things.

I dislike Glenn Beck not because of his political views, but because he's a political snake oil salesman preying on the weak-minded to make a quick buck.

I have more respect for telemarketers shilling financial schemes to senior citizens.

Anything that Glenn Beck sets his hand to has one purpose, and one purpose only: To glorify and enrich Glenn Beck. I pity those of you who think he's a sincere prophet of your beliefs.

Want someone to follow? Rick Santorelli would be a far better choice.
 
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Nice trick to be able to know what's in someone's heart. I can do that too. I think Hannity and Glenn have big generous hearts and they love this country. Their high ratings are because of that. I think Olbermann is only in it for the ratings. How's that working out?

Wow, I really should have known just how lost you are after blaming that attack on hannity by a conservative on liberals, but you just outdid yourself right there.
 
Nice trick to be able to know what's in someone's heart. I can do that too. I think Hannity and Glenn have big generous hearts and they love this country. Their high ratings are because of that. I think Olbermann is only in it for the ratings. How's that working out?

They all do it for the ratings, without ratings there is no TV show. With no TV show, there's no money. So no matter what, it's always for the ratings. No honest individual could sit there and tell me that Hannity or Beck are reporting in a completely intellectually honest position without the use of hyperbole or hyper partisanship. No intelligent person would ever claim such a thing. It's blatantly obvious if you watch the shows what they are doing. These entertainers are doing nothing other than throwing out sensationalized propaganda to work people into a hissy fit and get them to watch their programing. That's all there is to it. Big hearts....please. It's all about the big pocket book.
 
Nice trick to be able to know what's in someone's heart. I can do that too. I think Hannity and Glenn have big generous hearts and they love this country. Their high ratings are because of that. I think Olbermann is only in it for the ratings. How's that working out?

Fail. Their ratings are high because the majority of their viewers prefer lazily having their prejudices reinforced to the effort required to learn things and actually think for themselves. Being overtly anti-intellectual is NOT something to take pride in.

Hannity and Beck, not to mention Olberman, have high ratings because there are a lot of not very intelligent people in this country who like being told that they're right. They give people exactly what they want to hear.

We have complicated problems in this country that transcend partisan politics. Those who feed the partisan masses aren't helping, they are only exacerbating the situations and making it more likely that our country will fall apart at the point when we need to pull together the most.
 
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We have complicated problems in this country that transcend partisan politics. Those who feed the partisan masses aren't helping, they are only exacerbating the situations and making it more likely that our country will fall apart at the point when we need to pull together the most.

This is absolutely correct. The last thing we need to do with our current problems is pull apart into our separate camps as the solution is going to take all of us working for the better of our country, not what we think the country should be as viewed through our ideological lenses. Unfortunately, thats far easier said than done.
 
We have complicated problems in this country that transcend partisan politics. Those who feed the partisan masses aren't helping, they are only exacerbating the situations and making it more likely that our country will fall apart at the point when we need to pull together the most.

Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. :) That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.
 
Fail. Their ratings are high because the majority of their viewers prefer lazily having their prejudices reinforced to the effort required to learn things and actually think for themselves. Being overtly anti-intellectual is NOT something to take pride in.

Hannity and Beck, not to mention Olberman, have high ratings because there are a lot of not very intelligent people in this country who like being told that they're right. They give people exactly what they want to hear.

We have complicated problems in this country that transcend partisan politics. Those who feed the partisan masses aren't helping, they are only exacerbating the situations and making it more likely that our country will fall apart at the point when we need to pull together the most.
I wouldn't say that the people that listen aren't intelligent, but I would say that the people that don't understand that you must take it with a grain of salt and realize that alot of it is for entertainment and partisanship aren't thinking it all the way through.
 
Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. :) That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.

Yeah. The difference is that I'm serious. I've spent the last 20 years working with violent inner city populations to fix problems at great personal risk to myself.

What has Glenn Beck done? Oh, he's cried on television.

Glenn Beck cares about Glenn Beck. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's sad how deluded people are about his motives.
 
Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. :) That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.

Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.:roll:
 
Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.:roll:

Glenn Beck is trying to pull the country together by scaring the Christians that the non-religious are going to come and get their guns and bibles.

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are ALL ABOUT what's in the best interests of this country, and the "morals and values that made us great."

I feel nauseous.
 
Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. :) That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.

You and Catz stated two different things. In your case, you put terms on getting together. By saying that you want to promote certain principals, you are attaching an ideology to it that some cannot subscribe to and are working against what you are trying to do.

It is far better for people to simply get together.
 
You and Catz stated two different things. In your case, you put terms on getting together. By saying that you want to promote certain principals, you are attaching an ideology to it that some cannot subscribe to and are working against what you are trying to do.

It is far better for people to simply get together.

For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.

Which principles do you disagree with?
 
For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.

Not necessarily, it depends on the purpose of the association. It could very well be a common purpose, but no common ideals, which is very common for groups that want to get something done but don't have a predetermined way to do it.

Which principles do you disagree with?

Give me a list and I will tell you. "Principals that made this country great" could mean anything.
 
Give me a list and I will tell you. "Principals that made this country great" could mean anything.

1. America Is Good.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson

The 12 Values
* Honesty
* Reverence
* Hope
* Thrift
* Humility
* Charity
* Sincerity
* Moderation
* Hard Work
* Courage
* Personal Responsibility
* Gratitude

From www.912project.com

I imagine that some people would disagree with #2. That's okay as long as we agree on most of them.
 
1. America Is Good.

America is both good and bad, it depends on which part of America you are talking about. It is mostly good though.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.

I believe in God and hold him to be the center of my life too. However, I think Israel is the only "special" country in God's eyes, at least thats what the bible says.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

I agree with this

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson

I hold my family to be more important than myself, I do believe citizens are the highest authority as we are the voters.

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

Yep.

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

I agree with this.

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

This is not true. If you don't pay taxes, you get a penalty, so the government is very much able to force you to do things, unless you are willing to take the penalty. I think he is trying to say that the government shouldn't force one to pay for social spending, (but I would disagree), but saying can't ignores the existence of the police force, the irs, the courts ...

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

yep

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson

yep

The 12 Values
* Honesty
* Reverence
* Hope
* Thrift
* Humility
* Charity
* Sincerity
* Moderation
* Hard Work
* Courage
* Personal Responsibility
* Gratitude

I see nothing wrong with this as those traits are required for a person to be happy. Failure to follow them will lead to an empty life.

It would be nice if the movement actually followed just those principals, but I am willing to bet that if I went to one of those rallies and said I was proud to have voted for Obama and would do it again, I would not be greeted with open arms.
 
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Mega, #7 I believe isn't referring to taxes as a whole, but giving money to those who are less fortunate. That should be a personal decision and not forced upon anyone by government. If you disagree, that's fine. We agree on everything else. Excellent.
 
There is no need for Glenn Beck to craft a hallmark version of our key principles. THEY ALREADY ****ING EXIST. The principles that made this country great are already enshrined in our key documents: the declaration of independence, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

This is what I mean by Glenn Beck telling people what they want to hear.

Consider item #1, for instance:

"America is good."

This is such a non-statement. It's feel-good pap. It means nothing, and frankly, it is a sentiment that is used to stifle sentience and restrict criticism of the times when my country falls short of its noble ideals. **** that noise.

True patriotism is telling the truth not only about your tearful love of country, but bluntly saying it out loud when your country steps on its own dick.

America is only as good as our actions. When America incarcerated Japanese citizens, when we forbid Chinese immigrants to hold land or attend white schools or marry white people, when we kept blacks from having equal rights, when we did not allow women to vote, when we lied to and stole from the native americans, and most recently, when we VIOLATED OUR KEY PRINCIPLES, holding other human beings without access to counsel, for indefinite terms, and TORTURING THEM, we were not good.

Those actions are not good, and they fall short of our founding ideals. Not some idiotic list crafted by a ratings driven media personality, but the time tested principles of our constitution and bill of rights.

I'm tired of this endless rah rah rahing of America when our country has serious problems and both parties have succumbed to major corruption. I'm tired of us constantly waving the flag and singing the anthem when in hidden prisons overseas, we are torturing people because they don't matter, they aren't U.S. citizens.

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Let's move on to Item #9:

Some of the most committed, hard-working, dedicated, courageous, intelligent, freedom loving people I know are civil servants, who work for lower wages and harder, than they ever would in corporate America. They're smarter and work harder and better than most of the corporate stooges I know.

I'm tired of this ****ing villification of civil servants (aka: the government).

The lack of understanding of how our government even functions on the part of so-called patriotic citizens has really gotten on my last damn nerve.

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Briefly, on Item #4...The hypocrisy endemic in a man who would deny people the right to form families as they wish talking about the sacredness of families makes me want to puke.

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Your posts, Mellie, are physically painful for me. They are composed of a level of inanity and lack of conscious thought that I find appalling and deeply frightening.

I fear for my country. I fear for my country as it is increasingly influenced by people who are shills for a corporate piece of trash like Glenn Beck. The fact that you actually think that Glenn Beck stands for something real and tangible, besides lining his own pockets with cash by feeding your personal paranoias is ****ing pathetic.
 
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Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.:roll:

He's not trying to pull the country together, he's just looking to make a few bucks and keep his name in pop political culture.
 
Mega, #7 I believe isn't referring to taxes as a whole, but giving money to those who are less fortunate. That should be a personal decision and not forced upon anyone by government. If you disagree, that's fine. We agree on everything else. Excellent.

He should have worded it better.
 
He should have worded it better.

Agreed.....I think the parent one should be worded a little better too. God is the ultimate authority if you're a Christian (or He SHOULD be).
 
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