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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Agreed.....I think the parent one should be worded a little better too. God is the ultimate authority if you're a Christian (or He SHOULD be).
    Is that in the constitution, Mellie?

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    1. America Is Good.
    America is good, that doesn't mean everything we do is good. And that's often times how the right-wing political entertainers mean it. They want to say, America is good...hence support everything. From the wars to the expansions of government, whatever. Don't question. But we should question. America was founded on beautiful principles of freedom and liberty and we should always work towards those goals. Just because America is good, doesn't mean the government is good or that we're doing the right thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
    God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
    Your gods have no place in government. I don't care what invisible entity you pray to, appeal to gods are usually "blinding" tactics used to get people to not think of a problem. Whenever people evoke gods, you should be wary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
    Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
    There is nothing honest about political entertainers. To believe so is foolish and stupid beyond belief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
    Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
    If it's just love, why can't same sex couples marry again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
    Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
    Would be nice if it were true

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
    Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
    This one is funny because typically the "no equal results" thing is typically used to support systematic roadblocks which are emplaced by the already established to prevent proper competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
    Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
    True, even if government takes you money for charity things, it cannot personally make you charitable. However, in many things just as unemployment and homelessness we have gone the private charity only route before and it produced horrible results. Often times people don't understand the aggregated power of the US government and what it can properly do for us. There are some big social things which can benefit us all which are better run from the government side rather than the private side. Yet these simplified notions such as what is expressed here do little for encouraging the proper debate and discussion necessary to figure out what those parts are. Yet another reason to distrust political entertainers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
    On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
    This is one of the things which flip flopped from the right-wing political entertainers between Bush and Obama. It was once, "you're with us or your against us" to "I can dissent if I want". Which of course is most certainly true and something which MUST be protected in its entirety. However, this is not a consistent point from the political entertainers and it will change on situation and with who is in office.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
    Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
    The government is supposed to work for the People and answer to the People. But how many people were defending the government's use of warrantless wiretaps, domestic spying, things like the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act which act against the People? And how many of these political entertainers who speak now with this "government works for me" propaganda supported those previously mentioned things? Hmmm? Again, they do not take a consistent basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    The 12 Values
    * Honesty
    * Reverence
    * Hope
    * Thrift
    * Humility
    * Charity
    * Sincerity
    * Moderation
    * Hard Work
    * Courage
    * Personal Responsibility
    * Gratitude

    From www.912project.com
    This is the definition of propaganda.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Is that in the constitution, Mellie?
    *sigh*

    No. Do you understand the difference between personal principles for your life and government laws?


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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Is that in the constitution, Mellie?
    Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner! A lot of these political entertainers and the zombie hordes which religiously follow them will invoke the Constitution when convenient for their arguments. But they are never consistent in the use of the Constitution and will many times call for action which is unconstitutional. Don't trust entertainers and zombies.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner! A lot of these political entertainers and the zombie hordes which religiously follow them will invoke the Constitution when convenient for their arguments. But they are never consistent in the use of the Constitution and will many times call for action which is unconstitutional. Don't trust entertainers and zombies.
    Ahhh Cafeteria Constitutionalists.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    *sigh*

    No. Do you understand the difference between personal principles for your life and government laws?
    If your God asks you to sacrifice your son on a hilltop to propitiate him, what are you going to do?
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 07-02-10 at 04:39 PM.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    America is good, that doesn't mean everything we do is good. And that's often times how the right-wing political entertainers mean it. They want to say, America is good...hence support everything. From the wars to the expansions of government, whatever. Don't question. But we should question. America was founded on beautiful principles of freedom and liberty and we should always work towards those goals. Just because America is good, doesn't mean the government is good or that we're doing the right thing.

    Your gods have no place in government. I don't care what invisible entity you pray to, appeal to gods are usually "blinding" tactics used to get people to not think of a problem. Whenever people evoke gods, you should be wary.

    There is nothing honest about political entertainers. To believe so is foolish and stupid beyond belief.

    If it's just love, why can't same sex couples marry again?

    Would be nice if it were true

    This one is funny because typically the "no equal results" thing is typically used to support systematic roadblocks which are emplaced by the already established to prevent proper competition.

    True, even if government takes you money for charity things, it cannot personally make you charitable. However, in many things just as unemployment and homelessness we have gone the private charity only route before and it produced horrible results. Often times people don't understand the aggregated power of the US government and what it can properly do for us. There are some big social things which can benefit us all which are better run from the government side rather than the private side. Yet these simplified notions such as what is expressed here do little for encouraging the proper debate and discussion necessary to figure out what those parts are. Yet another reason to distrust political entertainers.

    This is one of the things which flip flopped from the right-wing political entertainers between Bush and Obama. It was once, "you're with us or your against us" to "I can dissent if I want". Which of course is most certainly true and something which MUST be protected in its entirety. However, this is not a consistent point from the political entertainers and it will change on situation and with who is in office.

    The government is supposed to work for the People and answer to the People. But how many people were defending the government's use of warrantless wiretaps, domestic spying, things like the Patriot Act and the Real ID Act which act against the People? And how many of these political entertainers who speak now with this "government works for me" propaganda supported those previously mentioned things? Hmmm? Again, they do not take a consistent basis.

    This is the definition of propaganda.
    i wish I could thank this post +9000.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 07-02-10 at 04:40 PM.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.
    and saying that obama is a racist. that really pulls us all together.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.
    Beck...talking about unity....

    Come on, what next, Beck talking about needing a civil discourse?
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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.

    Which principles do you disagree with?
    I went to the 9/12 Project and looked at their 9 Principles and 12 Values. Let's look them over.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    9 Principles, 12 Values

    The 9 Principles
    1. America Is Good.
    If America is innately good, then why is the 9/12 Project focused on reforming America? This, I don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
    God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
    The Constitution explicitly rejects the U.S. government from establishing, and thereby endorsing, any religion or religion at all. From this we can extrapolate a doctrine of separation of church and state. Keep religion out of government. Keep government out of religion.

    And I don't care if George Washington believed in God. George Washington also owned slaved and grew hemp. Just because Washington did something does not mean that a group of people have the right to force others to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
    Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
    Okay, sure. But if we want honesty then we're going to have to be responsible with that honesty, and we are going to have to accept things that we'd rather not hear. You can't be honest with others until you are honest with yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
    Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
    Ultimate authority over what?

    If you think it's over the law, you're wrong. While people have the freedom to make rules over their family, they do not have the freedom to impose such values onto others. People have as much of a freedom from so-called "family values" as they have a freedom to "family values."

    Also, families are free to allow their own family values, and not those of other people.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
    Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
    Okay. So let's get rid of unjust laws. If people break a law, yeah, they should be prosecuted, But there are a lot of laws that shouldn't be laws. Let's get rid of those laws if you want to ensure people pay the penalty for breaking laws.

    Also, once a person is punished for breaking a law don't continue punish him. Help these ex-cons get jobs and suitable housing and reinstate their rights. Otherwise, they have no impetus to lead a life of the straight and narrow. For most of these ex-cons, they don't commit crimes because they want to be unreformed criminals - they commit crimes because it's the only way they can make a decent living to pay for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
    Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
    This is a code phrase to get rid of programs for food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Fine. If we're going to get rid of welfare we'll get rid of welfare.

    But let's get rid of ALL of welfare. That includes corporate welfare as well as individual welfare. Let's get rid of farm subsidies. Let's reduce contracts to defense industries. Let's ban no-bid contracts. Let's allow imports of cheaper pharmaceuticals from neighboring countries.

    Let's see how much conservatives will stay true to "equal opportunity with un-equal results" when it affects their own pocketbooks.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
    Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
    Fine. I don't want to be charitable to the military-industrial-congressional complex. No more tax money for the meat grinder. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
    On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
    You're right. So stop using the FCC to censor shows with too many boobies.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9/12 Project
    9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
    Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
    All right then. Repeal the PATRIOT ACT, get rid of FISA, allow Alternative Voting methods, and allow more populism in the federal government by instituting a form of popular initiatives.

    Also stop trying to repeal the 17th Amendment since such a repeal would decrease the power the people have over the federal government. Also stop trying to institute term limits for politicians since such a thing would prohibit people's freedom in choosing which elected officials to represent them.

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