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  • Yes! I'll be there protesting!

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  • No! I'll be an audience member of the rally.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Wow. You suddenly turned into Glenn Beck there for a second. That's precisely what the 9/12 Movement and the Restoring Honor Rally is all about. We need to unite as a country and get back to the principles and values that made this country great.
    You and Catz stated two different things. In your case, you put terms on getting together. By saying that you want to promote certain principals, you are attaching an ideology to it that some cannot subscribe to and are working against what you are trying to do.

    It is far better for people to simply get together.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You and Catz stated two different things. In your case, you put terms on getting together. By saying that you want to promote certain principals, you are attaching an ideology to it that some cannot subscribe to and are working against what you are trying to do.

    It is far better for people to simply get together.
    For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.

    Which principles do you disagree with?


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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    For people to "get together" they have to unite under common ideals and principles.
    Not necessarily, it depends on the purpose of the association. It could very well be a common purpose, but no common ideals, which is very common for groups that want to get something done but don't have a predetermined way to do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Which principles do you disagree with?
    Give me a list and I will tell you. "Principals that made this country great" could mean anything.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Give me a list and I will tell you. "Principals that made this country great" could mean anything.
    1. America Is Good.

    2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
    God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.

    3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
    Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

    4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
    Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson

    5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
    Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

    6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
    Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

    7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
    Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

    8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
    On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

    9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
    Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson

    The 12 Values
    * Honesty
    * Reverence
    * Hope
    * Thrift
    * Humility
    * Charity
    * Sincerity
    * Moderation
    * Hard Work
    * Courage
    * Personal Responsibility
    * Gratitude

    From www.912project.com

    I imagine that some people would disagree with #2. That's okay as long as we agree on most of them.


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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    1. America Is Good.
    America is both good and bad, it depends on which part of America you are talking about. It is mostly good though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
    God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.
    I believe in God and hold him to be the center of my life too. However, I think Israel is the only "special" country in God's eyes, at least thats what the bible says.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
    Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington
    I agree with this

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
    Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is known. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson
    I hold my family to be more important than myself, I do believe citizens are the highest authority as we are the voters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
    Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
    Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson
    I agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
    Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington
    This is not true. If you don't pay taxes, you get a penalty, so the government is very much able to force you to do things, unless you are willing to take the penalty. I think he is trying to say that the government shouldn't force one to pay for social spending, (but I would disagree), but saying can't ignores the existence of the police force, the irs, the courts ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
    On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington
    yep

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
    Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson
    yep

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    The 12 Values
    * Honesty
    * Reverence
    * Hope
    * Thrift
    * Humility
    * Charity
    * Sincerity
    * Moderation
    * Hard Work
    * Courage
    * Personal Responsibility
    * Gratitude
    I see nothing wrong with this as those traits are required for a person to be happy. Failure to follow them will lead to an empty life.

    It would be nice if the movement actually followed just those principals, but I am willing to bet that if I went to one of those rallies and said I was proud to have voted for Obama and would do it again, I would not be greeted with open arms.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-02-10 at 04:00 PM.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Mega, #7 I believe isn't referring to taxes as a whole, but giving money to those who are less fortunate. That should be a personal decision and not forced upon anyone by government. If you disagree, that's fine. We agree on everything else. Excellent.


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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    There is no need for Glenn Beck to craft a hallmark version of our key principles. THEY ALREADY ****ING EXIST. The principles that made this country great are already enshrined in our key documents: the declaration of independence, the constitution, and the bill of rights.

    This is what I mean by Glenn Beck telling people what they want to hear.

    Consider item #1, for instance:

    "America is good."

    This is such a non-statement. It's feel-good pap. It means nothing, and frankly, it is a sentiment that is used to stifle sentience and restrict criticism of the times when my country falls short of its noble ideals. **** that noise.

    True patriotism is telling the truth not only about your tearful love of country, but bluntly saying it out loud when your country steps on its own dick.

    America is only as good as our actions. When America incarcerated Japanese citizens, when we forbid Chinese immigrants to hold land or attend white schools or marry white people, when we kept blacks from having equal rights, when we did not allow women to vote, when we lied to and stole from the native americans, and most recently, when we VIOLATED OUR KEY PRINCIPLES, holding other human beings without access to counsel, for indefinite terms, and TORTURING THEM, we were not good.

    Those actions are not good, and they fall short of our founding ideals. Not some idiotic list crafted by a ratings driven media personality, but the time tested principles of our constitution and bill of rights.

    I'm tired of this endless rah rah rahing of America when our country has serious problems and both parties have succumbed to major corruption. I'm tired of us constantly waving the flag and singing the anthem when in hidden prisons overseas, we are torturing people because they don't matter, they aren't U.S. citizens.

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    Let's move on to Item #9:

    Some of the most committed, hard-working, dedicated, courageous, intelligent, freedom loving people I know are civil servants, who work for lower wages and harder, than they ever would in corporate America. They're smarter and work harder and better than most of the corporate stooges I know.

    I'm tired of this ****ing villification of civil servants (aka: the government).

    The lack of understanding of how our government even functions on the part of so-called patriotic citizens has really gotten on my last damn nerve.

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    Briefly, on Item #4...The hypocrisy endemic in a man who would deny people the right to form families as they wish talking about the sacredness of families makes me want to puke.

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    Your posts, Mellie, are physically painful for me. They are composed of a level of inanity and lack of conscious thought that I find appalling and deeply frightening.

    I fear for my country. I fear for my country as it is increasingly influenced by people who are shills for a corporate piece of trash like Glenn Beck. The fact that you actually think that Glenn Beck stands for something real and tangible, besides lining his own pockets with cash by feeding your personal paranoias is ****ing pathetic.
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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Yep, Glenn beck is trying to pull the country together by joking around about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.
    He's not trying to pull the country together, he's just looking to make a few bucks and keep his name in pop political culture.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Mega, #7 I believe isn't referring to taxes as a whole, but giving money to those who are less fortunate. That should be a personal decision and not forced upon anyone by government. If you disagree, that's fine. We agree on everything else. Excellent.
    He should have worded it better.

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    Re: Will you be protesting the Restoring Honor Rally in D.C. on 8/28?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    He should have worded it better.
    Agreed.....I think the parent one should be worded a little better too. God is the ultimate authority if you're a Christian (or He SHOULD be).


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