Actually, you proved neither.
For a Cultural Nation to exist a significant grouping of people within a generalized location would need to have a common bond of some sort, with simply put a specific religion being one of those bonds. NOTHING you have shown, in any singular post you've made, proves that the fact that more than 3/4ths of the country self identifies as having the same religion is false. Without proving that false, you can not prove that over 3/4ths of the country has a shared religion. Without being able to prove that you can't state that it could not be considered a nation. You can argue that a portion of that grouping is a "weak" variety of that religion, but my counter is they still self identify as that religion so whether you think its "weak" or not still does not change the fact that its their religion, and that its a shared religion with the vast majority of hte country.
And two, proving there are other potential nations that one could denote within the United States does not disprove the existance of other potential nations within it. Because the vast majority of the country speaks English does not mean that one could not identify within the United States any other "nation" simply due to the fact there's already one defined through language.
The only argument you could possibly make is that a "Christian Nation" is not the largest designation one could make of the type of nation the US is, but that is different than arguing that it ISN'T one.
You keep speaking of what you have "proved" tucker but you've proved nothing, save for what your opinion is. You've offered no proof to contradict my statements, simply opinions as to why you disagree and proof that mine isn't the only definable version....which is a fallacy of your own as I've never made the argument that the U.S. can ONLY be considered a Christian nation.
False. Once you started using the term "baseline" and "foundation" you were making it the primary description. I've
proven it is not the baseline or foundation with
data.
I am not the one who is only offering an opinion here. I'm the only one hwo has offered actual
data. You have never once presented anything but your opinion. This whole time I've been asking for you to once, just once, offer some data to show that the
baseline or
foundation of the shared cultural bond is Christianity.
You haven't. you've relied on multiple fallacies to argue for your opinion. Equivocation ("I don't mean culture, I mean
culture"
) the package deal fallacy ("Since the majority labels themselves as Christians, that is our baseline cultural bond).
Here's what you originally said:
"Its reasonable to assume that likely close to 95%+ considered themselves some form of Christian at the time of the countries founding, with it still being more than 3/4ths of the country today considering itself as part of that faith. The overwhelming majority that represents Christians in this country makes it unmistakable to me that as a
cultural nation the U.S. is without question a Christian Nation."
Here's the same flawed argument (where everything is accurate) but with a different term instead of Christian:
"Its reasonable to assume that likely close to 95%+ considered themselves
white at the time of the countries founding, with it still being more than 3/4ths of the country today being part of that
group. The overwhelming majority that represents
whites in this country makes it unmistakable to me that as a cultural nation the U.S. is without question a
white Nation."
The truth is, you aren't even presenting an argument. You are stating your opinion and then backing that up with a fact that doesn't
support that argument. I enlarged and bolded "cultural" in your claim to show that from the start, you've been using equivocation to defend your non-argument.
When I focused on that term, which was
extremely relevant to your claim, you said I was "harping" on it and that it was actually irrelevant to your claim. Of course, this was after you admitted you couldn't give any evidence of cultural uniformity amongst Christians.
Because you couldn't support the claim in any way, you moved the goalposts to say that you meant the "baseline" (which is the "foundation") cultural bond was Christianity.
I then showed evidence that proves that the
foundation of our shared culture is not Christianity, it is Individualism.
Then you move the goalposts again to point out "proving there are other potential nations that one could denote within the United States does not disprove the existance of other potential nations within it"
I agree with that. I would even say that the Chrsitian nation of which you speak is, at best, a nation within the nation.
The problem with that argument is that the Christian nation is, itself, a one of those nations
within the US, but that does not comprise the
whole of the US. Your own demographic data
proves that it doesn't comprise the whole.
So if we designate these potential smaller nations within the US as "subnations" of the US, your
best argument is that the Christian nation is the largest
subnation within the US, but that the US itself cannot be described as a
Christian Nation because it is not a universally shared belief for the entire US as whole.
Every time you move these goalposts, you are damaging your own argument.
The "Super nation" that can be used toe describe the US as a whole is
not the Christian nation. That is a sub-nation within that super-nation. The Super-nation can be described as an Individualistic one, but it cannot be described as a Christian one.
Even though you want to
call what I'm saying just my "opinion", it
isn't "just" my opinion. It's not only supported by evidence, it's supported by your own words chosen in defense of your own claims.
You have to look at it from the outside in. To make the claim that, as a
cultural nation the US is _____ Culture, the thing that fills in the blank must comprise the whole of the US culturally. Not
just the majority. If it only comprises the
majority, it becomes a Nation
within the nation, which you have already pointed out can exist.
See, I'm
not arguing that nations within nations can't exist. I'm arguing that Christian Nation is
not the nation that comprises the cultural nation of the
US.
Even more to the point, using your own definition of Nation provided earlier:
"its a grouping of individuals sharing some sort of common bond"
The 'Christian nation" would encompass more than just the Christians in the US, but would also include Christians all over the
globe.
It would include every Christian in the US, but it
wouldn't include the entire US because not everyone in the US shares that common bond.
I'm not simply giving an opinion. I'm showing the flaws in your argument by targetting the ground-rules that you yourself set up.
If you actually use that definition honestly, you will see that you can
never make the claim that the Nation of people comprising the US is a Christian nation, because the grouping of individuals that comprise the entire US do
not share that common bond of Christianity.
Even takn to the simplest level of the common bond, your claim is
demonstrably false.
This means that the entire Christian nation has over 2 billion people.