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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I said "no". I think we are a nation that as a ****load of Christians, though.
    = Christian nation, so yes.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Yes and no.

    The majority religion is Christian. However, we aren't a theocracy.
    The OP asks about the nation, not the governement.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    are laws, rights, and constitution are NOT in line with Christianity nor controlled by it, never have been and never will be, therefore we are not a christian nation
    Laws are a thing of the State. The constitution is a document of the State.

    The only one of those that could potential fit under Nation would be "rights".

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    our laws rights and constitution never can be, its really that simple and those are facts unless you want to dramatically rewrite all of our laws rights and constitution LOL
    Laws and Constitutions are objects of the STATE, not of a Nation.

    Laws are the rules of the GOVERNMENT, aka the State. The Constitution is the establishment and parameters set upon the GOVERNMENT, aka the state.

    The State != The Nation

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Laws and Constitutions are objects of the STATE, not of a Nation.

    Laws are the rules of the GOVERNMENT, aka the State. The Constitution is the establishment and parameters set upon the GOVERNMENT, aka the state.

    The State != The Nation
    It may surprise some people to learn that the present government is not the only government this nation has had.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Thanks for the wonderful conversation yesterday Tucker. You gave me a lot of various things to think about and I will say again you are the first person to ever put up a legitimate argument within the actual confines of what's being discussed (IE not going "Well we're not a theocracy!") that has actually caused me to re-examine my view since my college profesor.

    Reposted from another thread in regards to my new found views that are beginning to form.

    Country = Specific geographical section of land
    Nation = Population within particular portion of land
    State = Government controlling said land and ruling over said Nation

    My own views of the Nation of America has changed a bit, in large part thanks to tucker for being the only person I’ve ever met to actually give a legitimate argument against the notion of a Christian Nation. In my mind the Nation that is America is multi-faceted and to claim it as any specific nation singularly would be erroneous. What I would say however is that there is one particular umbrella Nation that one could state, that all other possible ones would fall under. I believe this would be that we are simply a “Nation of Americans”.

    By that I mean we are a population who, from its inception to today and throughout the life of America as we will know it, all adhere and share to a point the common bond of the principles and histories that created the political will for this Nation to be born, which in turn formed a State. This is our shared history, that every citizen of the country has by default through their citizenship, our shared method of government by the people, and shared ideology of freedom and liberty that is the foundations from which this State and Nation was willed into being.

    However, there are portions of the Nation that can be pointed out and I believe are still correct in their designation that co-exist within the above umbrella nation. Additionally, many of the things I would place under the umbrella actually do factor into the above Nation due to their part in shaping the history of the country.

    We are an English Speaking Nation, as a significant portion of our population has that as their primary language, even though English is not our National Language. We are an Individualist Nation, as from the very onset of the Declaration of Independence we have cultivated and created a culture of individual freedom and liberty that is held in high regards by a significant majority of Americans. We are a Christian Nation, as a significant majority of this nation adhere’s to that particular religion and over the years has shaped the culture of the Nation. I would even dare say as well that you could state we are a “Nation of Excess” or a “Nation of Wealth” depending how you want to look at it, as I would claim in relation to the world our population significantly consumes and enjoys a more comfortable level of living as more than 75% of our households enjoy $20,000 more a year and more than 90% enjoying an income greater than the world average of $7,000 a year.

    So essentially we are a Nation of Americans, which one could argue has sub designations that would be correct as well if applied as a generality but not implied as a definitive singularity.

    So in essence I’d say this, and some are honestly my own opinion…

    We are a fragmented country, due to the various internal territories within the overarching country.

    We are a Nation of Americans of which contains various applicable subnations one could categorize it as.

    We are as a State a secular representative republic based on the notion of individual liberty and equality.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I had noticed Ireland and knowing your history with it I figured that would be where you were basing it from.

    I would suggest however that the split between Irish catholics and protestants was as much a cultural, historical, and political thing as it is simply a religious thing in regards to their disagreements and thus disassociation with each other. The level of animosity and split between the two denominations there is far more heated, far more pronounced, and far more embraced by both sides than I have ever seen by any sizable majority here in America.
    The key point is that the "nations" involved are split according to their religion, and the cultural and political differences stem from that split not the reverse. Ethnically, they're pretty much the same people.

    The fight isn't about religion, but the divisions are determined by religion.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    = Christian nation, so yes.
    The US is a nation that has a Christian nation within it, so no.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That depends on how you define "Christian nation".

    As I define it, you are incorrect, and the opposite is the case.

    Our definitions apparently differ.

    How do you define it?
    this talk about the Founding Fathers is irrelevant and completely off point...
    The Founding Fathers only created the government, the government is not the "Nation"...

    nation[ney-shuhn] Show   IPA
    –noun
    1. a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.
    2. the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.
    3. a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.
    4. an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

    Nation | Define Nation at Dictionary.com

    Many U.S. adult citizens identify themselves as Christians (76%)... non-Christian religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and others) collectively make up about 4% ... Only 59% of Americans living in Western states report a belief in God, yet in the South (the "Bible Belt") the figure is as high as 86% ...

    Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Christian: (78.4%)
    Protestant (51.3%)
    Roman Catholic (23.9%)
    LDS (1.7%)

    Jehovah's Witness (0.7%)
    Orthodox (0.6%)
    other Christian (0.3%)
    no religion (16.1%)
    Jewish (1.7%)
    Buddhist (0.7%)
    Muslim (0.6%)
    Hindu (0.4%)
    other (1.2%)

    Religion in the United States

    If the people living under the government and in a country believe something, that is the nation. I have stated repeatedly that the question is phrased poorly.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The OP asks about the nation, not the governement.
    THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!! ARGH!

    One of the first times I have been completely dismissed and then had othes say the same thing and get credit, so it was frustrating...
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