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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I've googled the following "A CULTURAL nation is a grouping of people sharing a common language, ethnicity, culture, religion, or history." and I can find no source to corroborate this definition.

    Could you please provide a source?
    I'll be honest here. I'm going off memory from a college course and using Wiki's entry on nations as essentially crib notes. Which I will fully admit would get me scolded by any college professor. Wiki's entry is what begins breaking down between "Cultural Nations" and "Political Nations".

    I also provided the wrong definition for political nation, having read and understood the wrong thing. It is as follows "the political nation is the holder of the sovereignty which shapes the fundamental norms governing the functioning of the state." The political nation I was speaking of earlier, where the will of the people joined together under a common ideological political belief to constitute a political community that invokes a nation, is describing the type of political nation that formed America.

    So to this, upon further review, I relent. I equivocated in my initial post by taking the sepereate designations of nations I remembered from college and I read about in wiki and discussing them both, rather than simply discussing "nations" in general and letting people go forth on whichever designation they wanted.

    I will however not relent on the notion of "Changing the goal posts", as my very first post concerning my own opinions made the distinction between the two known and gave examples for both, so to claim that I "Moved the goal posts" by continuing to discuss things in the same frame of reference I had when I first made an actual post on the topic is erronious.

    The factors of which I was using are the ones I had learned in college and wiki sums up well, which is common descent/ethnicity, language, culture, history, or religion.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Upon further reflections, while I reject the notion of different denominations actually representing different religions, I do recognize the legitimacy in potentially arguing that the variations in denominations are enough that an argument could be made against the common bond of their base religion. Not necessarily agreeing with the outcome of said argument, but identifying it as a legitimate argument and a legitimate means of stating disagreement with the notion of a shared religion in such a way that both individuals could potentially be corrected based on their own interpritations of the definition.

    Which in and of itself is the problem, as everything I've read...from college to random sites to the wiki entry...seems to show no true, clear, and universal way in which people absolutely are able to unquestionably declare that a particular nation exists or not.

    I must say however Tucker, thank you. Between your "the denominations are too diverse"* and the "a nation needs to apply 100% to be a common bond" arguments, you have given me the only two arguments I've ever ran into that actually wavers me in my notion of America being a Christian Nation. While I don't necessarily agree with you on the first, in that I think the commonalities amongst the various denominations are enough to be able to consider Christianity as a whole, its definitely an argument enough that if someone made it I would not necessarily argue that they're wrong to say that its not a Christian Nation, only that they have a different interpritation of what "christian" truly is which leads them to it. In regards to your second I would have to disagree, but only due to my consistancy in my particular number across multiple views of my own keeping it from being excessively arbitrary for my own personal opinions combined with the notion that 100% adherance to a particular factor amongst an entire population is impossible and thus an unrealistic metric.



    *: Well, "the denominations are seperate religions" is what you really were arguing, which I don't buy, but I buy the general gist

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin
    The factors of which I was using are the ones I had learned in college and wiki sums up well, which is common descent/ethnicity, language, culture, history, or religion.
    Ah, but wiki does not place the "or" in there, nor does it add "culture" to the Cultural Nation Section.

    By including "culture" and adding the "or" the term lost all sense of meaning.


    Also, using wiki, it only states that religion is only sometimes used as a defining factor. It also states that it is the fact that it is "shared" that makes in national. It points out Ireland as an example, where two Christian sects, Catholic and Protestant, are used as dividers in a very "national" sense*.



    * Adding my own asterisk: My knowledge of the N. Ireland issue is precisely why I reject the notion that Christianity, as a generic whole, can define a "nation". I think it must be broken down to a less generic definition of religion.

    I'll add that I consider them different "religions" based on the definition 2 found here: Religion - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
    Protestantism has a different institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices than Catholicism does.

    They are similar, but they are definitely different, some of the differences are very stark and codified (The catechism, Pope).
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    I've been rather absentee lately, so feel free to ignore my arguments, I can't promise I'll respond to what you have to say.

    From those who say that America is, in fact, a Christian nation, could you please define what exactly makes a nation Christian? Is a majority population the definitive factor? Does it have to do with the governing system (i.e. theocracy)? Do the religious beliefs of the cornerstone members of our government weigh heavily?

    I'm just a little fuzzy on exactly what it is that we're debating.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    America is absolutely a Christian Nation and there is no rational argument to the contrary...
    All this talk about the Founding Fathers is irrelevant and completely off point...
    The Founding Fathers only created the government, the government is not the "Nation"...

    nation[ney-shuhn] Show   IPA
    –noun
    1. a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.
    2. the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.
    3. a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.
    4. an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.


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    The problem is that there is no state, other than Israel, that is a Religious State. So when we use a term like "A Chistian Nation" it is a set-up at best. It is a term used to describe the people within it, when it is not relevant to the nation as an entity. It describes the people within, and it is accurate.

    Several of the original Thirteen Colonies were established by English settlers who wished to practice their own religion without discrimination: Pennsylvania was established by Quakers, Maryland by Roman Catholics and the Massachusetts Bay Colony by Puritans. Nine of the thirteen colonies had official public religions. ... Many U.S. adult citizens identify themselves as Christians (76%)... non-Christian religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and others) collectively make up about 4% ... Only 59% of Americans living in Western states report a belief in God, yet in the South (the "Bible Belt") the figure is as high as 86% ...

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    Christian: (78.4%)
    Protestant (51.3%)
    Roman Catholic (23.9%)
    LDS (1.7%)

    Jehovah's Witness (0.7%)
    Orthodox (0.6%)
    other Christian (0.3%)
    no religion (16.1%)
    Jewish (1.7%)
    Buddhist (0.7%)
    Muslim (0.6%)
    Hindu (0.4%)
    other (1.2%)

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Yes and no. We're not a christian nation in the sense that we are a theocracy or that the country is run on christian principals. We are a christian nation in the sense that the majority of the population is a christian of some flavor or another.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Didn't read the thread.

    Vote: No.

    We are not a christian nation, but we are a nation of (mostly) christians.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    "Is America a Christian nation?"

    Ill answer the question has direct has possible, NO, of course not, never have been and never will be
    you could answer yes and no if you want to and explain the largest religion is christian but that by no means makes us a christian nation and thats a GOOD thing because it would go against our laws, rights, constitution etc.

    If people think majority is all that is needed I guess we are also a Big city nation and a WHITE nation, a lower middle class to underclass nation etc etc and anything else you can come up with, thats not what makes a nation, thats only what is inside a nation it does not NAME the nation lol
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It points out Ireland as an example, where two Christian sects, Catholic and Protestant, are used as dividers in a very "national" sense*.
    I had noticed Ireland and knowing your history with it I figured that would be where you were basing it from.

    I would suggest however that the split between Irish catholics and protestants was as much a cultural, historical, and political thing as it is simply a religious thing in regards to their disagreements and thus disassociation with each other. The level of animosity and split between the two denominations there is far more heated, far more pronounced, and far more embraced by both sides than I have ever seen by any sizable majority here in America.

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