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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    ...it utterly fails to take into account those who believe in the Jewish (and its various aspects), Islamic (and its various aspects), Buddhist (does it have aspects? Probably.), Hindu (and its various aspects), LDS (and ITS various aspects, if they exist), One of the vast number of religions grouped under the “pagan” umbrella, etc., etc., and so forth....
    Actually, describing the US as such goes as far as to exclude those people from being a member of the Nation that is bounded by the US borders.

    But even more important, even if the majority of something can be described one way if split up individualy, it does not mean that the entirety of that thing can be described that way.

    Lean muscle is 75% water. A very large majority (similar to the proportion of Christians in the US, in fact). That doesn't mean that calling Lean muscle "water muscle" is an accurate description.

    I can make a mixture of hydocloric acid and water that is 95% water and 5% hydrocloric acid. If I said "Hey, that's a water liquid" I'd be labeling it inaccurately.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're free to think so but the proof is demonstrated through other mediums, so it stands.
    The Agenda of the US is not a Christian agenda, so it doesn't warrant being labeled as a Christian nation even using your own standard of comparing it to a Woman's group, so it doesn't stand.

    Being Christian =/= Christian agenda.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Thank you for showing that you are not using the definition set forth by Zyph in the thread regarding a Cultural nation.

    We're having a different discussion from the one you want to have.

    Also, the Agenda of the Group known as the US is not a Christian one, so the comparison to a woman's groups would still be a false comparison.
    I made a cup of coffee this morning.

    I like a lot of cream and a truck load of sugar in my coffee, an ice cube to cool it as I don't like hot liquids...and just occasionally a shot of Kahlua if I don't need to be anywhere.

    It's fair to say that there is more milk, ice, cream and sugar in my cup of coffee then there is actual coffee.

    It remains, non the less, a cup of coffee, because that is the overarching theme of the drink. Despite all the other things added to it, the drink retains the coffee's "agenda".
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you're saying that America is not today following Christian ideals, I have to give you ground there.
    Another term that may be less emotionally charged to some would be "heathen." First, I think we already have a competing state religion with its own temples and dogma (pledge of allegiance, anyone) that is extremely nationalistic. Beyond that, our value system is not reflective, by and large, of Christianity.

    This isn't a "the founding fathers were atheists and deists" position, but rather, simply that our society is really not very Christian, even though it claims to be.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I made a cup of coffee this morning.

    I like a lot of cream and a truck load of sugar in my coffee, an ice cube to cool it as I don't like hot liquids...and just occasionally a shot of Kahlua if I don't need to be anywhere.

    It's fair to say that there is more milk, ice, cream and sugar in my cup of coffee then there is actual coffee.

    It remains, non the less, a cup of coffee, because that is the overarching theme of the drink.
    Because it matters not to the majority of people what is contained in that coffee cup.

    On the other hand, if you were making a cup of coffee for someone else, rather than yourself, would you put random quantities of those additives into said coffee without asking what they wanted in their coffee?

    On a very similar note, do you think the ~ 24% of the US population who are NOT Christian would enjoy being called members of a Christian nation, simply because they live in the US?

    I am 100% sure that at least some would take issue.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The Agenda of the US is not a Christian agenda, so it doesn't warrant being labeled as a Christian nation even using your own standard of comparing it to a Woman's group, so it doesn't stand.

    Being Christian =/= Christian agenda.
    See I can't respect that opinion because only someone who hasn't read the Deceleration of Independence could honestly believe such a thing. The very idea that we Americans have the authority to rule ourselves is Christian. We used the God of Abraham as our justification, so to now refuse that original authority is to say, exactly, that we belong to the crown.

    We would need a new deceleration to assert otherwise.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Shared implies no such thing. You need evidence, and you need to link to it.
    Shared - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Main Entry: 3share
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): shared; shar·ing
    Date: 1590

    transitive verb 1 : to divide and distribute in shares : apportion —usually used with out <shared out the land among his heirs>
    2 a : to partake of, use, experience, occupy, or enjoy with others b : to have in common <they share a passion for opera>
    3 : to grant or give a share in —often used with with <shared the last of her water with us>
    4 : to tell (as thoughts, feelings, or experiences) to others —often used with withintransitive verb 1 : to have a share —used with in <we all shared in the fruits of our labor>
    2 : to apportion and take shares of something
    3 : to talk about one's thoughts, feelings, or experiences with others
    In this context, the bold definition applies. If the thing that is being discussed is something that the group as a whole does not have in common, the group as a whole does not share it. If the group as a whole has this in common, it is shared.

    The nation (read: people) that is defined by US borders does not have Christianity in common (true) then the nation is not a Christian one.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See I can't respect that opinion because only someone who hasn't read the Deceleration of Independence could honestly believe such a thing. The very idea that we have the authority to rule ourselves is Christian. We used the God of Abraham as our justification, so to now refuse that original authority is to say, exactly, that we belong to the crown.

    We would need a new deceleration to assert otherwise.
    Only someone who has never Read the DoI could possibly thing that the use of the terms Nature's God and "creator" means that we used the God of Abraham as our justification.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because it matters not to the majority of people what is contained in that coffee cup.

    On the other hand, if you were making a cup of coffee for someone else, rather than yourself, would you put random quantities of those additives into said coffee without asking what they wanted in their coffee?
    See that's my point. Regardless of what I add to it, it's still a cup of coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    On a very similar note, do you think the ~ 24% of the US population who are NOT Christian would enjoy being called members of a Christian nation, simply because they live in the US?
    Oh let me turn that on you and ask if you think the 76% of the US population who are Christian enjoy being told they're in a secular nation

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I am 100% sure that at least some would take issue.
    Their free to move to any of those Atheist nations if they choose.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Only someone who has never read the DoI could possibly think that the use of the terms Nature's God and "Creator" means that we used the God of Abraham as our justification.
    Fixed it for you.
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