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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Negative. No where, in any manor, is that an established requirement. These are general descriptions, not absolute universal attributes.

    I'm sure there were various student groups in your collage. We had one for women, and it was known as a woman's group, even though it had a few men. We had a 'native American group, and it was known as a native American group, even though it had few non-'native members. Same thing.

    The rest of your post is a reiteration of that wrong assumption, so while I read it I see no constructive purpose in responding to it.
    Those groups are not labeled based on the demographics of their membership, they are labeled based on what their agenda is. Women's issues, Native-Americvan issues, etc.

    The false assumption here is yours. You are assuming that a label based on a shared agenda is remotely comparable to a label based on demographical constituency.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The problem is you're not telling us where you're getting these requirements from. You're just claiming they're true without substantiation.

    Who said a description had to be universal in order to apply?
    The word "shared" makes it necessary and I'm using logic to support my claims.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Those groups are not labeled based on the demographics of their membership, they are labeled based on what their agenda is. Women's issues, Native-Americvan issues, etc.

    The false assumption here is yours. You are assuming that a label based on a shared agenda is remotely comparable to a label based on demographical constituency.
    ...and the Christian founders of America had no agenda? You jest.

    The proof applies because it can be demonstrated through other mediums. For example, I'm White. Even though I have a mix of elasticities, I'm identified as White because that is the majority general appearance. Identifying as White in no way means that I am 100% pure Anglo Saxon complete with AKC papers.

    Another proof is that I'm pro-life, even though I hold a few pro-choice opinions. The descriptor "pro-life" in no way means that I walk in lock-step with the mainstream ideals.

    America is a literate nation even though some of us can't read. America is a North American nation even though we have provinces on other continents. America is a nation of immigrants even though Native American tribes were here all along.

    If I were to enter Iran, or Jordan, or Pakistan, those countries would'nt stop being Muslim nations. If I had a duel citizenship with Israel, Israel would not stop being a Jewish nation. Ireland is a Catholic nation (more-so than America is Christian) even though it has a healthy level of non-Catholics.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    I think that what Tucker is trying to say, perhaps, is:

    When describing a nation, one must take all aspects into account.

    So, the nation known as “The United States of America” can be described thus:

    The USA is the representative republic that controls the land area known as “The United States”, “The United States of America”, or “America”, among other titles.

    Its population’s religion is predominantly Christian, with smaller numbers of (likely all) other religions.

    And various descriptors of that nature.

    As I understand things, one cannot describe it by saying “The US is a Christian nation”.

    Although in very general terms, that might be somewhat accurate, it utterly fails to take into account those who believe in the Jewish (and its various aspects), Islamic (and its various aspects), Buddhist (does it have aspects? Probably.), Hindu (and its various aspects), LDS (and ITS various aspects, if they exist), One of the vast number of religions grouped under the “pagan” umbrella, etc., etc., and so forth.

    All of those religions (and some beliefs that are NOT considered religions, but are still a belief system) have some effect on the overall consciousness that makes up the nation known as “The United States of America”.

    Edit: Thus, while as Jerry has stated, you could generalize and call the US a "Christian nation"...
    I consider it inaccurate, as in my mind, calling it such gives the impression that it is controlled by Christianity.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...and the Christian founders of America had no agenda? You jest.
    Thank you for showing that you are not using the definition set forth by Zyph in the thread regarding a Cultural nation.

    We're having a different discussion from the one you want to have.

    Also, the Agenda of the Group known as the US is not a Christian one, so the comparison to a woman's groups would still be a false comparison.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The word "shared" makes it necessary and I'm using logic to support my claims.
    Shared implies no such thing. You need evidence, and you need to link to it.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So what would make that Pagan? Would that not just be a Materialistic Nation? Are you not just trying totrying to piss off and **** on religious people by making a reach by declaring it "pagan" rather than actually term it appropriately for what you're describing. What religion is consumerism? What religion is greed? Where in the bible does it say that you exhibit greed you're somehow not a Christian but a Pagan? Your choice of pagan seems to be nothing but a non sequiter designed to flip off Christians rather than actually contribute to the discussion, which is sad as your latter argument is not a poor one.
    Do you understand the meaning of the term pagan? I'm guessing no.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pagan

    In its simplest sense, pagan means only "not Christian."
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post

    Although in very general terms, that might be somewhat accurate, it utterly fails to take into account those who believe in the Jewish (and its various aspects), Islamic (and its various aspects), Buddhist (does it have aspects? Probably.), Hindu (and its various aspects), LDS (and ITS various aspects, if they exist), One of the vast number of religions grouped under the “pagan” umbrella, etc., etc., and so forth.
    It was never supposed to, either. It was only supposed to give a very general impression of the philosophical atmosphere. That's it.

    If you combine unequal quantities of light, the resulting single beam will have a general hew of some color.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Thank you for showing that you are not using the definition set forth by Zyph in the thread regarding a Cultural nation.

    We're having a different discussion from the one you want to have.

    Also, the Agenda of the Group known as the US is not a Christian one, so the comparison to a woman's groups would still be a false comparison.
    You're free to think so but the proof is demonstrated through other mediums, so it stands.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Do you understand the meaning of the term pagan? I'm guessing no.

    Online Etymology Dictionary

    In its simplest sense, pagan means only "not Christian."
    If you're saying that America is not today following Christian ideals, I have to give you ground there.

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