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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    OK I see how you are differentiating. Semantics really though... A Christian Nation is a Nation of Christians to me. The two are synonymous.
    Why?

    It is a clear distinction, as I understand the situation.

    So how do you equate the two?

    Please explain.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Nope America is not a Christan Nation, because it is a secular nation that has many Ideas that are based on many different religious ideals. Just look up Free Masonry ideals, since a lot of the founding fathers were Masons.

    The Masons got ideals from many different religions of the time


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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Nope America is not a Christan Nation, because it is a secular nation that has many Ideas that are based on many different religious ideals. Just look up Free Masonry ideals, since a lot of the founding fathers were Masons.

    The Masons got ideals from many different religions of the time

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    Could you please explain how America is a "Secular' nation? What is your basis for that? What do the founding fathers have to do with regards to the nation?

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In that case, as I asked him, is it ever actually possible to HAVE a nation since there is almost never going to be a time where 100% of a particular geographical locations population is going to share that commonality to the last man.
    It's easily possible to have a nation. Its impossible to do so in a geographical region as large as the US based on a single personal choice made by the population (which is what a person's religion is), though, since the population will not all make the same choices. But one can base it on the shared history and politics of that geographical region without having to worry about not including the whole population, because the entire population is naturally included in that shared history and politics. Even if someone comes form another country, they are adopting the shared history of the US as their own when they come here. We can say that the US is a Republican Nation (as in Republic, not party).

    The problem here is not that the US cannot be considered a "nation", because it can.

    It's that many people want to pigeon hole that "nation" as a Christian one specifically, but that is a social trait that is determined by personal choice.

    They want to define the super-nation based on a trait that is not shared by all members of that nation.

    There are members of a Christian nation within the US.

    But that Christian nation does not end at the geographical borders of the US. It is all over the globe.

    The problem here is that when discussing the "US" nation (which is geographical and political), we cannot use social traits. We have to stick with geographical and political commonalities or else we are changing the defining parameters of "nation" midstream.

    When discussing the US as a nation, we can only mean Nation-state because the US is a Nation-state. We cannot separate the "state" part of the discussion without also separating the "US" part of the discussion.

    That's where the equivocation was odccuring.

    There is no "yes and No" answer here becasue the US cannot be a Christian-nation. It can only contain a portion of the world's Chrtistian nation. It cannot itself be a "Chritsin Nation" unless one discusses Christianity politically, as in a theocracy. This is because the US is a political body, not a social body.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    In the realm of this discussion, first and foremost, they wouldn't drive the country. The country is the territory. You're suggestion would be that they drive and control the STATE. No, the people of a nation do not necessarily have to control nor drive the state, though that does not mean they can't.

    A Nation is a group of individuals (in this case defined as within the borders of the country known as the USA) sharing a common religion, ethnicity, language, culture, and/or history. There's some dispute in regards to the and or or there, and political ideology has figured into it as well. However, control over the State is essentially irrelevant to whether or not a nation exists.
    I agree. Saying America is a Christian nation is just like saying America is an English speaking nation.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I agree. Saying America is a Christian nation is just like saying America is an English speaking nation.
    Exactly. It's misleading to say these things because it redefines the term "nation" midstream.

    If we use the term nation to mean "A population with a shared history, culture, language, or religion" we cannot use geographical boundaries to limit that nation. That nation is already defined as being the population with twhatever shared characeristic is chosen.

    Limiting these "nations" to America or the US is a false limitation because they are not limited to the US.

    America has a portion of the overall English speaking nation within it, but it the English speaking nation is not limited by the US borders. The English speaking nation extends all over the globe. One can say that a substantial portion of the people withint the US are members of an English-speaking nation, but one cannot say that the US is itself an English speaking Nation.

    One can add additional limits to desribe a "nation" by incorporating more characteristics to the limitations, such as discussing the "Enlish Speaking Christian Nation". Again, though, this isn't limited by geography. English Speaking Christians are found all over the world as well.

    If we priovide geographical limitations, then we need to look at all the people within that geographical region and the characteristics shared by them all. For example, the US. Not every one in the US speaks english, so the population (nation) of people that is contained within the borders of the US cannot be described an English speaking nation. They are not all Christian, so they cannot be described as a Christian nation. The nation that is contained within those bounrdaries can only be described by shared characteristics. Not predominant characteristics. It must be 100% if it isn't 100%, it isn't actually shared by the nation as a whole.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. It's misleading to say these things because it redefines the term "nation" midstream.
    And then the rest of your post goes on to do exactly that. Nice contradiction there

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And then the rest of your post goes on to do exactly that. Nice contradiction there
    The rest of my post goes on to explain how it does it.
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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The rest of my post goes on to explain how it does it.
    The rest of your post goes on to try to re-defign 'nation' midstream, right.

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    Re: Is America a Christian Nation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The rest of your post goes on to try to re-defign 'nation' midstream, right.
    No, I'm using the definition used by Zyphlin early on in this thread.
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