Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller
Nope America is not a Christan Nation, because it is a secular nation that has many Ideas that are based on many different religious ideals. Just look up Free Masonry ideals, since a lot of the founding fathers were Masons.
The Masons got ideals from many different religions of the time
More information about the masons
Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 07-06-10 at 07:57 PM.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.
The problem here is not that the US cannot be considered a "nation", because it can.
It's that many people want to pigeon hole that "nation" as a Christian one specifically, but that is a social trait that is determined by personal choice.
They want to define the super-nation based on a trait that is not shared by all members of that nation.
There are members of a Christian nation within the US.
But that Christian nation does not end at the geographical borders of the US. It is all over the globe.
The problem here is that when discussing the "US" nation (which is geographical and political), we cannot use social traits. We have to stick with geographical and political commonalities or else we are changing the defining parameters of "nation" midstream.
When discussing the US as a nation, we can only mean Nation-state because the US is a Nation-state. We cannot separate the "state" part of the discussion without also separating the "US" part of the discussion.
That's where the equivocation was odccuring.
There is no "yes and No" answer here becasue the US cannot be a Christian-nation. It can only contain a portion of the world's Chrtistian nation. It cannot itself be a "Chritsin Nation" unless one discusses Christianity politically, as in a theocracy. This is because the US is a political body, not a social body.
Last edited by Tucker Case; 07-07-10 at 09:46 AM.
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If we use the term nation to mean "A population with a shared history, culture, language, or religion" we cannot use geographical boundaries to limit that nation. That nation is already defined as being the population with twhatever shared characeristic is chosen.
Limiting these "nations" to America or the US is a false limitation because they are not limited to the US.
America has a portion of the overall English speaking nation within it, but it the English speaking nation is not limited by the US borders. The English speaking nation extends all over the globe. One can say that a substantial portion of the people withint the US are members of an English-speaking nation, but one cannot say that the US is itself an English speaking Nation.
One can add additional limits to desribe a "nation" by incorporating more characteristics to the limitations, such as discussing the "Enlish Speaking Christian Nation". Again, though, this isn't limited by geography. English Speaking Christians are found all over the world as well.
If we priovide geographical limitations, then we need to look at all the people within that geographical region and the characteristics shared by them all. For example, the US. Not every one in the US speaks english, so the population (nation) of people that is contained within the borders of the US cannot be described an English speaking nation. They are not all Christian, so they cannot be described as a Christian nation. The nation that is contained within those bounrdaries can only be described by shared characteristics. Not predominant characteristics. It must be 100% if it isn't 100%, it isn't actually shared by the nation as a whole.
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