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    Re: Polygamy

    My state has already made polygamy illegal. I personally would not support it either.
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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If your state were to propose a law or ballot initiative allowing for persons to be married to more than one partner, would you support it? Why or why not?
    Nope. Too complicated, plus it'd get easily abused by people trying to earn tax breaks.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Yes but there certainly has to be some stipulations on it. The most common practitioners of polygamy are the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. Polygamy of the type they promote is absolutely disgusting and wrong. Girls only 13 years of age married to men almost 4 times their age, that is very, very wrong but they get away with it by isolating themselves from society.

    Now if a man wants to marry more then one consenting ADULT female or vice versa ; ) then I am for it.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I would support this as long as it was voluntary and involved only adults. My concerns with polygamy, having lived in the state of Utah for 10 years, was the rampant welfare fraud and child abuse (including child sexual abuse) within some of the polygamist sects. I have no moral objections to polygamy.
    I'm assuming in any situation, the laws would be changed to accomodate this new relation status, and that all previous consent laws would exist or be strengthened. I'm more curious in how people would react philosophically than the nitty gritty details.
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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The first thing you'd have to say is that it all has to be open and aboveboard; if Spouse1 is already married to Spouse2 and Spouse3, they'd have to ALL legally consent and sign papers to that effect before Spouse4 could be added to the marriage. Public notification of some sort, like an add in the local paper, also.

    That would be assuming you allowed "add-ons" after the initial marriage.


    To answer the question, I would probably stand neutral and neither support nor oppose, depending on the details. If the law enabling polygamy looked badly written, ill-considered or otherwise not covering all the bases that needed to be covered, I might oppose that particular law.

    Polygamy has a long established history and was a successful family/reproductive/child-rearing institution for millenia in many cultures. Therefore I have no particular societal objections to it, nor do I have any substantive moral criticism to make, though I consider lifetime monogamy to be more ideal.

    On consideration, it is possible that polygamy might actually make marriages more stable and provide some advantages in childrearing. A man with three wives already has his "variety" built into his marriage; perhaps that would cut down on adultery. Joe and Jane might have regular jobs while Mary and Sue tend to the home and the children.

    IIRC the OP said "polygamy". Whether he meant polygamy alone, or also polyandry or polyamory I don't know, though I would speculate he probably did mean "group marriages of whatever makeup". Historically polyandry has been practiced but rather rarely; offhand I don't know that polyamory or group marriages have any historical precedent. The idea of polyamorous or group marriage doesn't blow my mind, though, having read a lot of Heinlein growing up.

    However the social and interpersonal dynamics of such arraingements ought to be studied and given careful consideration before we go there. We don't want to frack up the institution of marriage more than it already is, we'd want to have some idea of how well polyandry or polyamory would work before we instituted such plans.

    Polyandry would be reproduction-neutral: that is, one wife and multiple husbands would produce no more children than one husband-one wife, because there is only one womb involved.

    If all of that were legally instituted, I think polygamy would be somewhat uncommon but the most popular; polyamory/group marriages the next most popular; polyandry the most rare. I doubt there are many men who would see benefits in sharing a wife with one or more other men, and as noted the historical precedent is relatively rare.

    At any rate, it is an intresting question as there is much to discuss on the subject.

    Does anyone here have friends who live in a polyamorous/group relationship, regardless of the lack of legal recognition? I'd be curious as to any insights you might have. I knew a fellow who lived in such a household, a neo-pagan group to be specific, (and yes they had kids), but we didn't know each other well enough to discuss the juicy details, lol.
    I meant polygyny, polyandry, various group marriages, I'm not restricting it here. I know some people in open dating relationships, and it works as long as everyone is honest and equal and supports the arrangements, but I don't personally know anyone who has taken it to marriage levels.
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    Re: Polygamy

    If it could be implemented in a way that would guarantee it would only take place among truly consenting adults rather than sexist religious fringe groups, then I suppose I'd be for it. I don't think it would work out too well though in real life though, so I voted no.

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    Re: Polygamy

    No I would not. I agree that marriage is about family values, even though the anti-GM lobby has distorted the meaning. Family values means what is best for children, and based on what I've read that does not include polygamy. You want to talk about confusing the children, then have a situation where there are multiple people trying to fill parental roles inconsistently and unevenly. Children need fixed, stable parental roles and I don't think group dynamics satisfy that, given that polygamy tends to involve one male and several females.

    If it's not about families then I don't know why we should allow marriage licensing for polygamy. You guys can just go get married under your own accord and have your own ceremony without the state being involved.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    -- I know some people in open dating relationships, and it works as long as everyone is honest and equal and supports the arrangements, but I don't personally know anyone who has taken it to marriage levels.
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Yes but there certainly has to be some stipulations on it. The most common practitioners of polygamy are the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. Polygamy of the type they promote is absolutely disgusting and wrong. Girls only 13 years of age married to men almost 4 times their age, that is very, very wrong but they get away with it by isolating themselves from society --
    I've come across various versions of multiple marriages in my travels and allowing men to marry very young teens / girls is quite common across groups that practice marital polygamy / polyandry.

    Odd that "open dating" however tends to be practiced by consenting adults who (hopefully) know what they are getting into and have gone in with eyes wide open about the pitfalls / benefits of such relationships. What I mean is that you rarely found "open dating" groups where age ranges crossed the potential "paedophile" threshold.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I often longed for a 2nd wife when I was married, someone who was good with kids and would be happy staying home and raising mine while I earned a paycheck. --
    This sometimes works in the relationships I came across - elder kids from one coupling helping with childcare (quite common to see young kids on childcare duty while parents tended the fields - or the young ones having a baby tied to their back and sent out for a walk so parents could get some rest) but I also saw bitter resentful elder wives who were relegated to cooking and cleaning for the glamorous virile young wife that husband had brought into the family.

    If I had to vote - I'd probably vote "no" - from personal experience I found that such multiple sexual arrangements worked best when you kept the "M" word out of things so people could come and go as they pleased or change their minds about sharing partners. Once you "marry" - there are legal obligations that introduce whole new pressures.
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    Re: Polygamy

    If consenting adults want to enter into multiple civil unions then what business is it of mine? NONE!
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