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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not confident that polygamy would be a benefit to children. If you have some data to support the idea, I would have to rethink things some.
    Alas, I have no data. The only actually cases out there seem to be somewhat ignorant religionists who have a patriarch and many wives. This does not reflect the spirit in which I was talking about the benefits of a clan marriage.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not confident that polygamy would be a benefit to children. If you have some data to support the idea, I would have to rethink things some.
    It is custom for women in Tibet to marry two men, usually brothers, so they practice polyandry. One reason why scientists say they do so is because a woman with children who has two husbands has two husbands so they can gather more resources for the wife and children. This is required in a harsh environment that they live in.

    Personally, I think the U.S. lives in a de facto state of polyamory. After all, people aren't required to be married to have intimate relationships or bear children with another person. A woman can have several kids from different men, and men can have kids from different women. Just because it isn't official doesn't mean anything.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Absolutely not on this.

    There's no realistic and feasable way to reconcile our various laws in regards to marriage to allow for something like this without an unmeasurable amount of pitfalls, surprise loopholes, and unexpected issues to swell up. Our laws are set up in such a way that marriage functions as a benefit and a determination for two person marriages and while these laws would easily translate from man/woman to man/man and woman/woman they would be turned on their head and obliterated with man/woman/woman or man/man/woman or any other mixture greater than 2 people.

    As such, the only way I would believe Polygamy should be "legalized" would be if government completely got out of the business of recognizing couplings OR the actual LEGAL recognition of a coupling would be limited to two person while the act of privately being married to and living with multiple spouses would be legally allowed.

    As it stands today, absolutely not.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, I think the U.S. lives in a de facto state of polyamory. After all, people aren't required to be married to have intimate relationships or bear children with another person. A woman can have several kids from different men, and men can have kids from different women. Just because it isn't official doesn't mean anything.
    I'd argue that serial monogamy and infidelity are much more prevalent than any form of polyamory, and certainly much more so than even the loosest definitions of polygamy. These men and women with multiple children by multiple partners don't enjoy stable relationships with the other parents of their children, and I'd say most are not collaborating in any meaningful sense in the rearing of those children; they are moving on from relationship to relationship and from broken home to broken home. Whatever other complaints we might have against polygamy, it is fundamentally a more stable and more responsible lifestyle than is being practiced by millions upon millions of Americans.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If your state were to propose a law or ballot initiative allowing for persons to be married to more than one partner, would you support it? Why or why not?
    I would support this as long as it was voluntary and involved only adults. My concerns with polygamy, having lived in the state of Utah for 10 years, was the rampant welfare fraud and child abuse (including child sexual abuse) within some of the polygamist sects. I have no moral objections to polygamy.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Whatever other complaints we might have against polygamy, it is fundamentally a more stable and more responsible lifestyle than is being practiced by millions upon millions of Americans.
    As currently practiced in the shadowy underground in small towns in southern Utah, Northern Arizona, and west Texas, as well as several other areas, Fundamentalist LDS polygamy is rife with abuse of women, children, the welfare system, and the hundreds of sons who are cast out every year because there aren't sufficient women within these communities to sustain polygamy longterm. That's not a stable or responsible lifestyle.

    Read about the Lost Boys of St. George and get back to me.

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    Yes, I agree with you that religious fundamentalists and welfare frauds are irresponsible and unstable, and that the Mormon offshoot cults are degenerate in general. (I have nothing but respect for the mainstream Mormon church.) However, I would argue that it is their contempt for American mores and government that makes them degenerate, and not merely their practice of polygamy. They're more like criminal gangs than normal citizens; it's hardly fair to compare them to upright citizens and say that the results would be similar.

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    Re: Polygamy

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, I agree with you that religious fundamentalists and welfare frauds are irresponsible and unstable, and that the Mormon offshoot cults are degenerate in general. (I have nothing but respect for the mainstream Mormon church.) However, I would argue that it is their contempt for American mores and government that makes them degenerate, and not merely their practice of polygamy. They're more like criminal gangs than normal citizens; it's hardly fair to compare them to upright citizens and say that the results would be similar.
    I agree with you on this one. I often longed for a 2nd wife when I was married, someone who was good with kids and would be happy staying home and raising mine while I earned a paycheck. I still think that clans are the way to go, since most of us don't have nearby extended family members anymore.

    It doesn't get much worse or more corrupt than the whackadoo "prophets" of the FLDS.

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    Re: Polygamy

    I would probably support it. Mostly because it is none of my business who people marry and so long as the polygamy is open on both sides, not set in some discrimination (which is one of the major problems with polygamy); then why should I stop it?
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    Re: Polygamy

    Giving it a first thought, it's every man's fantasy to have many women around him all the time.

    Giving it a second thought however, it's every man's nightmare to have many wives around him all the time.

    So I voted no.
    That, and it'd also cause a great portion of the world's population to live in one house. After all, why not marry every woman/man you find attractive?

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