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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Does that include witch burnings?
    Again drawing from history, the witch burnings were conducted by a tiny group of rigid fundamentalist Christians who had discontinued the practice by the early 18th Century. Certainly they were not practiced nor condoned by the large majority of Christians of that time.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Again drawing from history, the witch burnings were conducted by a tiny group of rigid fundamentalist Christians who had discontinued the practice by the early 18th Century. Certainly they were not practiced nor condoned by the large majority of Christians of that time.
    The times have changed, for sure. Now, the christians pretend they are witches on All Saints' Day.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."- Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. Authored by Barlow, fully endorsed by Adams.
    This was a meaningless treaty aimed at securing peace with the Barbary Pirates. Anyone who knows how to place historical events in their proper context knows this. It was nothing more than an attempt to put a peaceful end to raids on US shipping in the southern Mediterranean.................a "PR gimmick" if you will. While successful in placating the Barbary States, it had no real impact domestically and is now considered all but obsolete.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    This was a meaningless treaty aimed at securing peace with the Barbary Pirates. Anyone who knows how to place historical events in their proper context knows this. It was nothing more than an attempt to put a peaceful end to raids on US shipping in the southern Mediterranean.................a "PR gimmick" if you will. While successful in placating the Barbary States, it had no real impact domestically and is now considered all but obsolete.
    That's where "leathernecks" came from.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    This was a meaningless treaty aimed at securing peace with the Barbary Pirates. Anyone who knows how to place historical events in their proper context knows this. It was nothing more than an attempt to put a peaceful end to raids on US shipping in the southern Mediterranean.................a "PR gimmick" if you will. While successful in placating the Barbary States, it had no real impact domestically and is now considered all but obsolete.
    And can you site a source that proves your claim then?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And can you site a source that proves your claim then?
    What kind of source would suffice? There really isn't going to be a document stating that they negate the Treaty since it is really an irrelevant and outdated document itself.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What kind of source would suffice? There really isn't going to be a document stating that they negate the Treaty since it is really an irrelevant and outdated document itself.
    Interesting theory but Jefferson reaffirmed what he said in the Dansbury letter during his second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1805.

    “In matters of Religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies.” Jefferson Reaffirms Separation of Church and State - Transcription - *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    But there is evidence that shows the legal importance of the Danbury letter.

    "In explaining to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Association why he refused to proclaim national days of fasting and thanksgiving as his predecessors had done, President Thomas Jefferson asserted that the Constitution built a wall of separation between church and state. Jeffersons many deletions and emendations to this draft indicate the great care he used in phrasing his opinion."

    A Wall of Separation between Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    ANd further proof that the Danbury letter was not just politics:

    "Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U.S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents." Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    The separation of church and state was a very controversial issue in the early years of the United States, when several New England states provided tax money for the support of Protestant churches. However, as he explains in this letter, President Thomas Jefferson was an ardent proponent of the separation of church and state, even to the point of opposing government-sponsored days of prayer and fasting.Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    Take not that every link here is to the Library of Congress. It would seem that officially the historians disagree with you.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Nope. Nope. Nope.

    Treaty of Tripoli Article 11: As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.


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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Interesting theory but Jefferson reaffirmed what he said in the Dansbury letter during his second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1805.

    “In matters of Religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies.” Jefferson Reaffirms Separation of Church and State - Transcription - *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    But there is evidence that shows the legal importance of the Danbury letter.

    "In explaining to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Association why he refused to proclaim national days of fasting and thanksgiving as his predecessors had done, President Thomas Jefferson asserted that the Constitution built a wall of separation between church and state. Jeffersons many deletions and emendations to this draft indicate the great care he used in phrasing his opinion."

    A Wall of Separation between Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    ANd further proof that the Danbury letter was not just politics:

    "Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U.S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents." Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    The separation of church and state was a very controversial issue in the early years of the United States, when several New England states provided tax money for the support of Protestant churches. However, as he explains in this letter, President Thomas Jefferson was an ardent proponent of the separation of church and state, even to the point of opposing government-sponsored days of prayer and fasting.Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    Take not that every link here is to the Library of Congress. It would seem that officially the historians disagree with you.
    My question was in regards to the Treaty of Tripoli...

    ...I agree that there is a Separation of Church and State and that this nation is not a "Christian 'Nation'" but rather a nation comprised of mostly Christian people's...
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Interesting theory but Jefferson reaffirmed what he said in the Dansbury letter during his second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1805.

    “In matters of Religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies.” Jefferson Reaffirms Separation of Church and State - Transcription - *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    But there is evidence that shows the legal importance of the Danbury letter.

    "In explaining to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Association why he refused to proclaim national days of fasting and thanksgiving as his predecessors had done, President Thomas Jefferson asserted that the Constitution built a wall of separation between church and state. Jeffersons many deletions and emendations to this draft indicate the great care he used in phrasing his opinion."

    A Wall of Separation between Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    ANd further proof that the Danbury letter was not just politics:

    "Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U.S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents." Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)


    The separation of church and state was a very controversial issue in the early years of the United States, when several New England states provided tax money for the support of Protestant churches. However, as he explains in this letter, President Thomas Jefferson was an ardent proponent of the separation of church and state, even to the point of opposing government-sponsored days of prayer and fasting.Separation of Church and State*-* *Exhibitions*-*myLOC.gov (Library of Congress)

    Take not that every link here is to the Library of Congress. It would seem that officially the historians disagree with you.
    Here's the exact transcript of the introduction to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed and ratified in 1848............52 years AFTER the meaningless Treaty of Tripoli and 43 years AFTER Jefferson's PERSONAL letter which had NO LEGAL SIGNIFICANCE whatsoever. Looking at the wording of the treaty, one would assume that adoption of the principle of "Separation of Church and State" was far from a foregone conclusion in the US. Just saying.

    Transcript of Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848)

    TREATY OF PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, LIMITS, AND SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNITED MEXICAN STATES CONCLUDED AT GUADALUPE HIDALGO, FEBRUARY 2, 1848; RATIFICATION ADVISED BY SENATE, WITH AMENDMENTS, MARCH 10, 1848; RATIFIED BY PRESIDENT, MARCH 16, 1848; RATIFICATIONS EXCHANGED AT QUERETARO, MAY 30, 1848; PROCLAIMED, JULY 4, 1848.

    IN THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD

    The United States of America and the United Mexican States animated by a sincere desire to put an end to the calamities of the war which unhappily exists between the two Republics and to establish Upon a solid basis relations of peace and friendship, which shall confer reciprocal benefits upon the citizens of both, and assure the concord, harmony, and mutual confidence wherein the two people should live, as good neighbors have for that purpose appointed their respective plenipotentiaries, that is to say: The President of the United States has appointed Nicholas P. Trist, a citizen of the United States, and the President of the Mexican Republic has appointed Don Luis Gonzaga Cuevas, Don Bernardo Couto, and Don Miguel Atristain, citizens of the said Republic; Who, after a reciprocal communication of their respective full powers, have, under the protection of Almighty God, the author of peace, arranged, agreed upon, and signed the following: Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits, and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic.
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