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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    As something of a Biblical historian, I have been enjoying your posts.
    Thank you !

    Most modern Bible experts have placed Genesis 1--the first creation story--as one of the latest of Old Testament documents most likley written during the disapora period - probably late sixth century or possibly even a bit later. This would have put it very close to the culture of early scientific thought that gave us Socrates, Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes, and ultimately Aristotle. However, while the first chapter of Genesis was not exactly produced in a scientific vacuum, it was not intended to be scientific but rather was a pure doctrinal statement to illustrate that all that was, is, or will ever be comes from God. The second chapter of Genesis was one of the earliest manuscripts included in what we call the Old Testament.
    well.... yes...... ish. The variant threads of Genesis were assembled later from much earlier accounts that appear to have survived in some kind of written form into the diaspora. That's why you get multiple versions of the same story, and editorial comments. The Deuderonomistic Historian (if you haven't heard of that, look it up, you'll find it fascinating) basically took the history coming out of Judah and the history coming out of Israel and just smashed them together with occasional commentary ("and we still call it thus to this day" or "and this was to show that..." type stuff). So apparently portions of what became Genesis was written down in the days of the split kingdom... and just wasn't compiled until there was a real need to use the Text as the center of Yaweh Worship, rather than the Temple.


    None of this, however, addresses the question of whether the country was founded on Christian principles, but I have always held to concept that one cannot fully understand or appreciate the New Testament without a good grounding in the Old Testament as all the writers of the New Testament well knew and took the content of the Old Testament for granted and assumed their readers did so also. And so did the Founders in their Christian beliefs see that all that was, is, and will be comes from God, and founded this country on that belief and therefore the unalienable rights given by God would not be infringed.
    that last is very true - they were inherently Lockean in their outlook on that subject.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    all the writers of the New Testament well knew and took the content of the Old Testament for granted and assumed their readers did so also.
    Mark (meant for Romans) and Luke (meant for Greeks) go out of their way to explain OT references, Jewish traditions/customs and locations that would be unfamiliar to their respective audiences.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 09-21-12 at 03:03 AM.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    It was founded on a number of principles. The Christian influence is strong, but so are the humanistic principles laced within.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    The time was the late 18th Century, otherwise known as the Age of Reason. The founding fathers of the our country wanted to not repeat the mistakes made in Europe with setting up another monarchy entwined with a religious "state". The founding fathers were religious only to the point that they attended church on Sundays and tried to live their lives according to the example of the Ten Commandments. However, they also believed in the philosophy of Aristotle, John Locke, Thomas Paine and others of the time who advocated the rights not of the "state" but of the individual. The right to acquire and own private property without any hinderance or interference by a government. To treat each other as equal traders and not force others to submit to any form of totalitarianism or despotism that already had existed in Europe and the rest of the world for the previous 1800 years. They attempted to take the best ideas that would give people freedom but with responsibility, protection of one's rights without taking away someone else's. And most if not all based upon common sense and rational thinking. The Age of Reason was not an reaffirmation of the the despotic and religious tyranny and hypocrisy of Europe. In the United States, the concept was to free people from those negative influences and allow normal intellectual and economic growth and development. It was the very first time in the history of the entire world that such an experiment had ever been allowed to take place and with such success. Others were inspired to do the same, such as France in 1789 but they failed miserably. Thousands executed and in the end they ended up with a military dictator, Napolean. Other countries have tried to do the same that the U.S. but all or at least have failed.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeMarket View Post
    The time was the late 18th Century, otherwise known as the Age of Reason. The founding fathers of the our country wanted to not repeat the mistakes made in Europe with setting up another monarchy entwined with a religious "state". The founding fathers were religious only to the point that they attended church on Sundays and tried to live their lives according to the example of the Ten Commandments. However, they also believed in the philosophy of Aristotle, John Locke, Thomas Paine and others of the time who advocated the rights not of the "state" but of the individual. The right to acquire and own private property without any hinderance or interference by a government. To treat each other as equal traders and not force others to submit to any form of totalitarianism or despotism that already had existed in Europe and the rest of the world for the previous 1800 years. They attempted to take the best ideas that would give people freedom but with responsibility, protection of one's rights without taking away someone else's. And most if not all based upon common sense and rational thinking. The Age of Reason was not an reaffirmation of the the despotic and religious tyranny and hypocrisy of Europe. In the United States, the concept was to free people from those negative influences and allow normal intellectual and economic growth and development. It was the very first time in the history of the entire world that such an experiment had ever been allowed to take place and with such success. Others were inspired to do the same, such as France in 1789 but they failed miserably. Thousands executed and in the end they ended up with a military dictator, Napolean. Other countries have tried to do the same that the U.S. but all or at least have failed.
    Read "The Age of Reason" by Tom Paine.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    From my understanding, many of our founding fathers were deists. So, no.

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    70% vote no? Do people no longer know the history of America?

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    I dont think relgion had any bearing on the founding of the US. The birth of the US was driven by persecution, a hunger for sovereignty and of course freedom, the soldiers who lined up against the red coats were not fighting for God they were fighting for their families and an chance to be free from tyranny.
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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Secular does not mean Atheist or anti-religion. With religious freedom there is no reason to have a nonsecular Government. People are free in America to worship or not to worship anything that they want. We can build churches we can stand on a box and our neighbors about our beliefs. Again no one is spiritually or religiously disenfranchised in America.


    Religion in Government means only one thing and that is a dictatorship. All theological Governments have all been dictatorships...

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    Re: Do you think this country was founded upon Christianity?

    Which Christianity? The one where slavery is wrong or the one where slavery is accepted by god?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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